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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2008, 01:15:14 PM »



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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2008, 04:05:09 PM »

You would say that.  Wink

And yet, I'm a big fan of Captain America.
Oh sure... you like the DEAD one. Figures.

"You either die the Hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the Villain."

Case in point, Spider-man and Mary Jane sacrificed their marriage to make a deal with the devil (Mephistos). Only they weren't trying to "fight the mob!".

[...]Bush (All of 'em), [...]

wait... did you mean fictional?

There's an easy political joke in there but I'm not going to use it. Wink
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2008, 04:13:48 PM »

anyone else see Batman?

I haven't heard of a single person yet who hasn't liked it.

'The Dark Knight' is a great film. However I like "Batman Begins" a little bit more and here's why:
The ending to TDK, to me at least, doesn't feel like Batman truly won against The Joker. He saved "Gotham's Soul" but essentially did it through deception ("Sometimes the truth isn't good enough"). And there's also the weird fact that he didn't let Joker fall to his death but--albeit unintentionally--let Harvey die. Or did he?

I like BB a little more because it had that great epilogue that gave more of a message of hope:

Gordan: I never thanked you.

Batman: And you'll never have to.
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2008, 07:08:09 PM »

Gordan: I never thanked you.

Batman: And you'll never have to.





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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2008, 08:17:06 PM »

I haven't heard of a single person yet who hasn't liked it.

'The Dark Knight' is a great film. 

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[ but--albeit unintentionally--let Harvey die. Or did he?

They said "Harvey Dent is dead" but were they speaking literally or metaphorically?

I assumed literally at first, which was quite shocking, but then as I thought about what Harvey meant to Gotham, and the lengths they were going to so they could preserve his memory...

Maybe Harvey Dent HAS to be dead to keep hope alive, but Two Face may just be unconcious and wake up at Arkham, or somewhere else.  Just a thought, not a fact.

Could be though!

I understand if you liked BB better for being more hopeful, and that's a GREAT quote.

I appreciated Batman's sacrifice at the end of this one though, and the realism of it.

Not everything wraps up neatly in the real world.
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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2008, 02:37:34 PM »

Just got back from it.

Wow... I thought it was pretty amazing. Heath Ledger certainly deserves an Oscar nod. Performances were stand-up through-out.

Only thing that was a bit odd was the pace, as the story clearly finished 40 minutes before the film did. I don't mind that they went and told more story... but it didn't feel like everything had come to a suitable climax, and then kept doing without a final climax. But that certainly didn't detract from the overall.

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« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2008, 02:01:48 AM »

Hey Jonathan, Glad you got to see it.

I'm curious; When you mentioned 40 minutes, at which scene are you speaking of?
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« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2008, 05:30:01 AM »

Once the big chase with Harvey in the cop van is done. Things are resolved: Joker's in prison, Gordon's actually alive, Harvey's safe, the girl is fine. We've had our wild climax, and then a resolution.

Clearly this was all a trick, and the story goes on... but the energy really peaked at that point and so the rest felt just a little strange to me.
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« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2008, 03:21:14 PM »

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« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2008, 06:09:01 PM »

Once the big chase with Harvey in the cop van is done. Things are resolved: Joker's in prison, Gordon's actually alive, Harvey's safe, the girl is fine. We've had our wild climax, and then a resolution.

Clearly this was all a trick, and the story goes on... but the energy really peaked at that point and so the rest felt just a little strange to me.

Wow. You really think that?

That's odd because I think the best scenes happen right after that plot point. It's from that point on that we start to realize how this Joker's mind works:

"There morals, there code; it's all a bad joke."
[...]
"When the chips are down, these 'civilized people' will eat each other."
[...]
"You see, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the current."

And of course, there's my favorite scene, the final confrontation between Batman and The Joker ("The Battle for Gotham's Soul"). I think this should have been the ending scene (or, at least, closer in duration to it). The conflict with the ferry passengers was great and the plot-twist with Deebo was my favorite. Smiley
This goes back to my earlier comment on how I felt about the film's actual ending. I just feel that they undermined that final scene between The Joker and Batman:

"You won't kill me because of some... misplaced sense of self-righteousness.
And I won't kill you because... you're just too much fun.
I think that were destined to do this... forever."

I feel that they undermined it with that actual ending, which essentially showed that, in the long-run, the Joker had won.

Like I said earlier, the whole killing of Harvey Dent (whether or not it was literally or figuratively) and they then deciding to cover it up because "Sometimes the truths not good enough" (whatever that means) is what bothers me the most.
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« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2008, 11:35:18 PM »

Like I said earlier, the whole killing of Harvey Dent (whether or not it was literally or figuratively) and they then deciding to cover it up because "Sometimes the truths not good enough" (whatever that means) is what bothers me the most.

I understand, I was a little uneasy about the covering up too.

I definitely thought it was cool that Batman would sacrifice his rep for the greater good of Gotham though!  That scene with him running and the police chasing him...WOW.

Love it!
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« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2008, 07:09:07 AM »

John, I love those scenes too! Excellent stuff... no doubt about it. But as for energy build, and the structure of a story (not the way this story went, but the structure of Story)... the movie ended 45 minutes late. As I said, I don't blame it, and it was still incredible, but if Nolan had adjusted the energy flow a little around that 45 minute mark, done some things to stretch it a little, I think it could have been a perfect movie.
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« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2008, 07:40:48 PM »

Just saw it. It was awesome. I loved the huge plot twist that everyone is calling the "extra" 45 min. It was too tiddy of an ending at that point and the extra 45 was the perfect fit.

The whole cover up thing makes perfect sense too. And... the part that you might have missed is that Wayne could feel guilty for all of those deaths. But... they are correct, letting the truth out about Dent would have been disastrous.
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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2008, 09:06:42 PM »

I've been told NOT to go see it.

I have a clown phobia, and my friends said the joker would haunt me for life.
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« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2008, 10:09:46 PM »

I've been told NOT to go see it.

I have a clown phobia, and my friends said the joker would haunt me for life.













Actually, your friend is right. I've just been looking for a place to post the img above.

I would recommend dealing with your phobia, and then see it  laugh because it would haunt you for life.
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