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« on: July 08, 2008, 02:24:28 PM »

Just wanted your various opinions (experienced & inexperienced):

When producing do you think that midi is easier to manipulate or audio?

Do you effectively make lots of loops (with no FX) and then sequence them and apply FX individually?

I'm wondering if an overhaul of production technique might save some CPU power (which is at a premium) on my system...
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 03:56:17 PM »

Live Instrument Audio is always the dream of everyones final product but midi is way easier, quicker and cheaper to work with.

When recording a song I'm able to lay it all out in a midi environment and then just go over it and rearrange things and change the tempo..once I'm happy then I'll lay down the audio tracks and redo them with live guitars, bass, drums, piano ect.

Its all one in the same these days.
I have found myself recording loops and importing them sometimes as well... its whatever your time constraints and song style call for.

There are even a ton of free midi and vsti solutions these days.. all you'll need is a midi controller.
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 04:11:28 PM »

I think I misread your post... I thought you were looking to upgrade gear instead of technique.

When I make loops sometimes I play around and experiment but most of the time I know the sound that I want to get and record the base of the sound the way that I know will turn a good final product.  Then I generally add most of the delays, reverbs and filters once the loop is sequenced.  Most other effect are applied before hand.

I used to apply the effects to the actual audio files when I recorded vocals and live instruments in my multitrack software but now I create fx busses and do it all live.
Kind of got used to doing that in protools and it makes sense to me.
I've built a real powerful computer so if my CPU starts taxing out.. it actually is a good production point to think... "maybe I should simplify the sound of this song"
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 05:06:23 PM »

definitely using mostly or all MIDI would save on your resources, cause audio would need to be read and played off your harddrive.  Where MIDI is a data message that triggers the thing that is on your harddrive.  Currently I do a mixture of the two.  Audio mainly for some drum samples and FX, one shot samples.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 07:38:13 PM »

I use almost all internal midi with Logic.  I arrange the entire track, automate it, mix it, etc, with all effects on, then run out to a buss compressor and EQ, then record stereo file.  Lots of people work with audio as well, I may add some audio here and there with vocals, or added drum parts.  Get a macpro Quad core and do whatever you want...  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 08:16:19 PM »

Get a macpro Quad core and do whatever you want...  Wink

Cool oh yeah
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 06:48:56 AM »

yeah, a mac pro would be nice, just got a slight issue with cashflow atm. i`m about halfway there tho...
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 11:21:36 AM »

Get a macpro Quad core and do whatever you want...  Wink

Cool oh yeah
You mean 8 core because quad core is last gen.

To answer your question, I use midi unless I have a ton of effects on a single channel, then I export to wav and import the channel. For drums I always use wav, for things that I want to modulate I must use midi.

Different programs can handle more or less stuff with the same processor. For example, FL starts acting up if I have like 6 channels with effects (it makes me really mad sometimes), but Cubase can have way more than that, I don't think Cubase has ever started acting up on me. ...And I have an AMD 4600+ X2 processor, so no program should be messing up that bad.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 11:54:16 AM »

Gee I'm running a 400mhz Pentium 2 with a wopping 128mb's of ram and I never run into any problems adding effects to my buses.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 04:24:43 PM »

Of course everyone does it differently I start with Midi to build the track and the sound except for the drumswhich are usually audio either a loop or individual hits. I record all the midi parts into audio before mixing as I prefer automating the audio parts and to have all audio parts is tidier for me especially as I often endup withover 60 tracks of audio to have midi and vsti and hardware synths all going when mixing is a pain in the cpu.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2008, 04:38:17 AM »

yeah thats what i`m finding. maybe ill do what you`re doing. what if you need to change a loop or characteristic of an instrument? that must be pretty long winded!
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2008, 05:42:31 AM »

Working with audio stems can be good, but only when you've comitted to the parts.  They don't work well for editing release times of syths, or any other general editing while your working, and for me they just take up hard drive space.  Its really just a matter of preference.  I could probably do more analog treatments with stems, but right now I just do it stereo.  If you are working with dance music you generally should have about 8-10 parts anything more is going to get seriously cluttered IMO. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 08:52:47 AM »

I save various versions as I work though and load the previous version that still had the midi or less edited loop. This is useful in two ways as it means I can go backwards if the idea goes in the wrong direction as well as just make a change to a part takes just a couple of minutes to load the old version change it and print a new audio track.


8-10 tracks works if you are only using loops but I seperate out all the drums and have several different sets so I'm over that as well as adding stacked pads individually so that I can adjust the balance between them over time that all goes towards my sound which is quite full.
Also all the tracks wont be playing simultaneously so there is less going on at any one time than thenumber of tracks implies
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 08:59:51 AM »

I don't use any loops.  I use buses for my drum channels.  Do whatever works for you, there isn't a right or wrong way.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 09:13:18 AM »

yes there is... and I'm doing it wrong. Wink
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