Yeah, what he said ^^.

Pudd.

Glad to have you back Guy.

and then there is the hazey, he dosn't belive ether.

as far as pasifism the hazey sees things nekeisha's way
and as far as romans 13... the hazey sees things nekeisha's way also. (no disrespect to you as a person and brother, i just dont read it the same way you do, and i should love you with or with out a badge the same... some of us "hippie" types can reson from scripture also.  =) )

i am just saying.

=)

i would be happy to discuss if and when i have the time... over at BLJ, or JR, or SoapBox... (yeah reds i will get back to your points there when i have time again)

shalom.

Jesus niether gave nor implied any authority to his followers for any kind of spiritual justice in violence.

All individuals who are Christians are called to be non physically violent individuals.

ALSO.. some Christians, such as cops and myself are given authoritative office by God (Romans 13) to use violence within that office. I work with kids. When one kids pulls a knife to kille another kid, i violently wrestle it away from him and place him in the cell. When a cop points a gun at a man with a knife who is chasing some lady she better hope he doesn't wield his authority or weapon in vain, he intends to shoot. You mustn't allow personal pacifist philosphy (displayed by Christ) and the violence of authority (explained by romans 13) to be lumped together. They are separate issues. Unless you seriously think that Jesus doesn't want you to spank your own children. And of course it's in love and it's ONLY with the proper legal authority. Violence is a liscenced tool. The authority is God's alone, yet He clearly states in Romans 13 that he deligates this authority on Earth.

peace in Christ.
-Ryan

btw.. the hippie thing was a joke for anyone who knows me. I've lived on communes, followed the dead and been stone for so long it was untrue. God saved me from my destruction but I still dig allot my old culture enough that people still associte me with that.

What D said.

i / we are not really supposed to talk about this stuff here. so i *do* want to continue to reason and build with you. i just want to respect the "rules" here.

so if you desire to pick another message board. i will try to take the time to think through things more.

it's all good, no one is upset. that is the main thing.

" If someone makes a political or spiritual comment in a pre-existing thread, that is fine, so long as it does not shift the course of the discussion"
"Any discussion may be locked by a moderator if it is deemed "too heated"

So it's cool in those circumstances if it doesn't get out of hand.
The reason I responed to your comment red was to agree that though we may not all agree on war issues we don't get tricked into letting us divide our Christian unity over that.

Matter of fact, I was trying my hardest to point out the good things we can all agree on.

But it's your call Red, you say move on, done. I don't know all of what happened b4 and I don't think I want to.

Peace in Christ.
-Ryan