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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2007, 08:04:48 AM »
If you want an update on my music go here:  www.tommytomorrow.com
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dude . . . missing tips? I'm missing stuff like you guys do out here on TF  Cool
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2007, 08:10:22 AM »
I have waited to respond to this because well that's what I do...ask Dave.

First off, Noah all is forgiven and nothing is held against you.  The same goes for everyone whose hand I have ever had to smack via the internet because of my position/job as mod here on the boards.

Second, I often wonder why I am around here...but honestly it's the fights that remind me why.  I feel like I am often the counter balance because I really could care less about what side of the political fence you use.  I don't give a rip what denom you are or where you are from or what your beef may be with the boards or the rules.  To me, we choose to be apart of this community because of two things...Christ and Music.  Because we choose to be here, we choose to follow some guidelines.  Just like we do where we work, or where we go to church, or anything like that.

No mod on these boards claims to have a perfect understanding of how to best guide this community via the rules.  We try to do the best we can with our knowledge and where we are in life...just like anyone else who has to guide people.  We mess up...we do a good job...we slack off...you get the point.

I'm rambling...

Here's my point - we are a community who have choosen to be apart of each other's lives.  No one is forced to be here.  I say we start loving God and each other with all we got and let the rest shake out.

If you have a problem with a rule - remember you choose to be here and then talk to one of us who can do something about it.  

If you have a problem with a member of the community - talk to them one on one.  Follow Matthew 18.

I say treat people the way you want to be treated.

Let love and grace mold your actions.

Until we start remembering why we choose to be here and do what God has asked us to do - we are useless.  I don't want to be useless.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2007, 08:20:49 AM »
^ perfect. Cindy... you do knock me around and I need you for that. Thanks.

BTW Noah, I've always loved the tommy tomorrow stuff. Keep it up.

As she said in IM to me, both the conservative evangelicals and the emergents need to learn to live by the grace we claim to live by. It doesn't matter what denomination you are from or what your political leanings are. That isn't important here and wouldn't be important to Christ. He just wants us to love each other, to trust him, to do as he asks.

When Christ was asked what was the greatest commandment his response was:

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'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.

But he didn't stop there. He went on to say:

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And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Conservative or emergent, we can't obey these commandments if we cannot find a way to love one another. If we can't find a way to love one another, how can we truly love God and then... how can we show our love to those who don't know Him.

As a community, TF gives you an opportunity to put away the conservative and emergent labels and to get some work done. That's what I plan to do.

Noah, I'm sorry I let myself get sucked into a debate over this. Know that I was not attacking you in what I said, but I was attacking your statements. I've put a lot of time into growing this community and honestly, it's rough when long time members like you can't see that it is on several levels achieving exactly what I perceive you perceive that it isn't.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2007, 08:30:46 AM »
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In his case??? No. In fact, he's direct proof that you are wrong. You can't say that there isn't a caring community here and then when presented with direct evidence that shows and says otherwise, still claim to be right. Not unless you forgo all logic and critical thinking.

In some cases like that of a photon you can have two opposites be a positive. Is it a wave or a particle? But in the end, the light is still either on or off.

I think you took what Noah said too literally.  

Noah said there is a lack of community, and you equated that to "there is no community."

Obviously with The Brian Scroggins fund, Prayer section, etc there very much **IS** a community who is loving as Jesus did and really does care for one another.

There are other ways TF has community too.

Now...

Is Tastyfresh perfect?

Is there no way that the community here can improve?

Could it be lacking in some way?

If so, is it really wrong for Noah to say he feels it is lacking?
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007, 08:40:02 AM »
Dave & Cindy,

Good stuff!  I agree with us all working together for a common goal and putting denominations and such aside to do it.

I agree with a lot of what you say, I'm just saying don't reject criticism.

I'm not defending how Noah handled things, and I'm not upset he was banned.
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2007, 08:53:47 AM »
Carey,

Go back and read what I said...I have no problem with Noah before, now, or in the future.

If we want to discuss things I think there is a polite and proper God honoring way to do it.  

No where did I mean to say or mean to imply that criticism isn't welcome but it needs to be honoring in how it said and handled.  What happened was not honoring in way shape or form.

I personally believe there are valid points in all the discussions but for me the good of the community has to weigh my decisions.
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2007, 09:06:04 AM »
I'm a Conservative!!! 

I'm pretty sure Noah and I don't see eye to eye on everything, but I don't think what Noah said was a slam against me or you.

I think of the Iron Man movie thread where Polaris gets so stuck on the fact that the Black Sabaath song was used in the Teaser trailer we can't have a discussion about the movie anymore but it has to tunnel vision to whether that song should have been used or not.  (Sorry Polaris.)

I think of an argument in the past where the Beatles were mentioned and the conversation was turned worthless because we couldn't get past "The Beatles were Satan Worshipers!" (Supposedly - according to the poster on that thread, but I'm not saying that's true), even though the thread was about music, and the beatles were merely mentioned once and not the subject of the thread.

I think of a thread where a person said anyone who didn't have the name "Jesus" in their music wasn't a "real" Christian.

I **think** those are the types of things Noah is talking about, and I can see his point to some degree.
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2007, 09:09:52 AM »
Quote from: CT@Underground on September 28, 2007, 08:53:47 AM
Carey,

Go back and read what I said...I have no problem with Noah before, now, or in the future.

If we want to discuss things I think there is a polite and proper God honoring way to do it.  

No where did I mean to say or mean to imply that criticism isn't welcome but it needs to be honoring in how it said and handled.  What happened was not honoring in way shape or form.

I personally believe there are valid points in all the discussions but for me the good of the community has to weigh my decisions.

I know Cindy, sorry for confusing things.

I agreed with both you and Dave, but I am really only disagreeing with Dave.

I lumped you guys together when I shouldn't have.
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2007, 09:12:31 AM »
Quote from: noah on September 27, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
In looking, I became disappointed and frustrated.  So instead of being frustrated, I decided that everything I post will be a joke.  My reasoning was that I wouldn’t feel bad about my old favorite website if I made everything really trivial and more fun.

I make joke, laugh and have fun, but if you did it all the time or someone didn't know you, you run the risk of never being taken seriously.

Quote from: noah on September 27, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
No one got the joke.  I have some serious concerns for the current Christian sub-culture in the United States, and I apologize to anyone I offended when those concerns, or anything else offensive, propped up in my joking.

What joke or just talking about your joking comments in all?  I wasn't too happy with the letter poking at Old Testament stuff  but even that is a whole can of worms I'm not discussing here.

i have concerns for christian subculture too and you just said it, sub-culture.  Christianity is most divided of all major religions via denominations.  This liberal and conservative descriptions starting to make it sound like some political mess. I think you said one time we need more spiritual discussions or be able to hear viewpoints, but fact is, with all the different denominations/beliefs its hard to have a building one cause usually ends up in some kind of fight or pissing contest.  Thats why Dave had it in the rules.

Quote from: noah on September 27, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
I was mostly frustrated with the lack of substantial content, lack of quality music tips/info, and overall lack of community.  (I used to feel all of those things years ago).

So far since I've been here, I've been pleased with the content and like Dave said, its growing and going good.  Yeah I would like to see more In Progress and helpful tips for making tracks more professional and uping the quality thats coming out of christian edm producers.  Community-wise I feel that there is, I've met people who became my friends and been there to talk to in times of need.  I've been able to share laughs, concerns, prayers, and learn more about music through them.  As Carl said, I know its been a community for him and likewise for me.

Quote from: noah on September 27, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
These things are a direct cause (I believe) of the narrow, conservative, and evangelical right sub-culture that dominates the boards.  But of course, the boards are free to be dominated by just that.  I don’t mind.  From now on, however, I’ll just be peeking in every once in a while as I still have some friends here.

I would recommend these books if you’re interested more in my concerns for the modern church:

A New Kind of Christian by Brian McLaren
Adventures in Missing the Point by Brian McLaren and Tony Campolo
Thy Kingdom Come: How the religious right distorts the faith and threatens America by Randall Balmer
The Irresistible Revolution by Shaine Claiborne
Velvet Elvis by Rob Bell

Well, I wouldn't mind you PMing me or emailing your viewpoints/beliefs.  I would like to hear them and kinda fill me in what these books sum up in what they're talking about.  I guess I consider myself conservative, but even I am tired of traditional church these days.
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2007, 09:13:44 AM »
See your pm for continuing that debate Carey. I think publicly, this debate is done. I've said what needs to be said. The only reason for the PM is to make sure you understand what upset me in the first place.
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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2007, 09:28:35 AM »
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See your pm for continuing that debate Carey. I think publicly, this debate is done. I've said what needs to be said. The only reason for the PM is to make sure you understand what upset me in the first place.

I will, and for the record, I'm not upset with anyone here, just trying to explain how I'm seeing the situation.

No hard feelings with you or Cindy  Wink  hug
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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2007, 09:56:55 AM »
Quote from: GL on September 28, 2007, 08:04:48 AM
dude . . . missing tips? I'm missing stuff like you guys do out here on TF  Cool
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2007, 11:04:30 AM »
Quote from: Dancechapel on September 28, 2007, 06:52:37 AM
Quote from: noah on September 27, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
One last thing.  I find it absolutely unbelievable that I have to defend my sexual orientation.  Since when does that matter?  Bummer dudes.

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Yup and that's ONE reason why Rodimus was banned just like you were for the past week.  You had it coming though since you chose to mock him and disrespect him several times prior to this incident.

I understand that Noah's actions brought some of this on himself.

Being accused of being a homosexual though?

I really don't think he had THAT coming.

(I think Rodimus came to that conclusion by something you said on a thread Dave?)

I'm not going to get into the whole larger debate, but one thing that I want to clarify in this discussion (and I'm speaking up for Rodimus only because he's not here and is off honeymooning) is that Rodimus never mentioned Noah's sexual orientation in any way.

In this thread and in the This section is called "chill out" thread, both Carey and Noah have said that Rodimus made statements about Noah's sexual orientation. Nate never did so in that thread, and I don't recall him doing so in any other thread.

If you read Nate's statement below, you'll see that he said Noah has a pro-homosexual agenda, not that Noah himself is a homosexual. (Sorry for the weird quoting. That thread's locked, so I can't do a real quote.)

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you obviously don't live a Chrisitan life. you try to take God's word...pervert it and use it for your pro-homosexual, liberal adgenda....

While Noah has cursed on Tasty, he is not a homosexual, and your comments are WAAAAY off base.

Now, I am NOT defending the salvo that Rodimus launched at Noah. That was wrong. Period. However, what he said has been repeatedly misrepresented. And that's the kind of thing that contributes to flame wars. If we're gonna debate, we gotta debate what actually was said.

Many heterosexuals promote a pro-homosexual agenda. Saying that Noah supports the agenda (which I'm not commenting on whether he does or does not) is nowhere near the same thing as saying that Noah is himself a homosexual. So, Carey and Noah are responding to an attack that was never made.

Again, I'm not trying to re-ignite a fire, but in my opinion, if someone gets beat up for doing something, they should at least be beat up for something that actually did.
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2007, 11:16:32 AM »
GLM, here's what I was talking about:

http://www.tastyfresh.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,108/topic,8756.0

Quote from: djrodimus on August 20, 2007, 10:05:17 AM
thats why ive been ignoring his comments. apparently noah is offended by remarks that would normally offend gay / lesbian people. maybe he has .... "special intrests" i dont know. im ignoring it. not trying to start a fight...

I shouldn't have brought it up though, they were BOTH in the wrong.

Sorry!  Dropped!

I'm not angry with Rodimus, and I hope he has a great honeymoon!
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2007, 11:22:51 AM »
once again... they both were banned for attacking each other repeatedly.

There's no need to drag up this history. Period. Everybody already admits that both of them deserved the week long ban for lots of reasons.

The ban is over. Let's just pick up the pieces and move on in grace.
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