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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2007, 01:05:00 AM »

NO CITATIONS?!?!?!

Not to get in your face but this seems like an example of passing judgement on something without getting the facts. Get the information before being so ... judgemental.
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2007, 08:52:16 AM »

Citing other alien-fan books is worthless.

Citations should be to studies and accredited journals, not other fiction authors.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2007, 08:55:31 AM »

I mean, come on... he even cites himself.

edit:  I also don't really consider pretty much anything that references so many fiction books, especially ones dealing with the occult, to be of any note.  Anyone can make a whole new reality when they use the right fictions as references.  I could write a book about demon children by citing Steven King, but that doesn't make it any more truthful.
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2007, 01:45:13 PM »

what fiction does he cite?
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2007, 02:47:24 PM »

i heard this video (the video the thread was made for) was a viral marketing tool for the new halo.

me too.
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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2007, 02:52:35 PM »

The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel is a fiction work....   There are others but I don't have time to list I am at work.
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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2007, 05:01:28 PM »

viral marketing is a possibility. See? I didn't say it was impossible. I didn't say it IS definitely viral marketing. In this case....and in every case...I win! hehehe.. That's called NOT painting yourself into a corner Nate.
Remember...when your only dealing with evidence (as opposed to proof) you can't make definite claims....only ASSUMPTIONS!

As with most theories and philosophies (including Christianity!) there are unfortunately some whackos that get behind certain points and really make a mess of things. Trying to prove aliens may exist by citing John Keel, etc is imo 'whacko'. LOL

The "FACT" is...there aren't any. So anyone wishing to talk about THIS PARTICULAR POST can only give opinions, beliefs, and assumptions. But no one (I mean not even Mr NASA if he's a member here) has the right to say "THERE ARE NO ALIENS" or even "ALIENS DO EXIST".

The ONLY fact herein, is that anyone making such a claim only 'proves' himself truly and deeply ignorant.
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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2007, 05:08:33 PM »

So when someone says God does not exist....how is your statement different?

I wasn't trying to be clever to get you to enter into spiritual discussion with me brother. I only mean to say that we, as Christians, feel the frustration of 'believing' something that can't be proven. If someone says to us GOD DOESN'T EXIST we have to feel very frustrated because that statement cannot be DISPROVEN nor can ours be proven. Yet to say that God DOES NOT exist is very ignorant. So..you see...it's not all that different is all I was getting at. You say pointedly that aliens do not exist, and while I 'tend to have a weighted opinion leaning towards their non-existence' I know I cannot make that claim because it's unproven.

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2007, 05:08:58 PM »

viral marketing is a possibility. See? I didn't say it was impossible. I didn't say it IS definitely viral marketing. In this case....and in every case...I win! hehehe.. That's called NOT painting yourself into a corner Nate.

Dude, you're going John Kerry on us.  I did vote against the troops before I voted for them.

The thing is...Schrödinger's cat is either dead or it's not.  You can't exist in 2 universes at once and have both, sorry.
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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2007, 05:12:39 PM »

My point is if you have the balls to admit it when you're wrong (or rather, IF) is IS possible to have enough of a spine to have a freaking opinion on something.  Somehow this bothers you, and I really don't understand it....but I have a backbone and I will stand on my own two feet when talking about something, especially like this.
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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2007, 05:22:01 PM »

this is getting stupid. nate's not going to take the time to research this so there's not much point. let's just drop it.

aura if you find stuff like that i'd be interested in seeing it, but just let nate go, I don't think he's going to belive unless ... I don't know what.

this is starting to get too argumentative.
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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2007, 05:30:13 PM »

[...]i said my peace and im done here...lest this debate turns biblical with references and also God talk...that is not allowed on this site[...]

God forbid we should ever do that.

Oops!

I mean: G*d forbid we should ever do that.

this is getting stupid. nate's not going to take the time to research this so there's not much point. let's just drop it.

aura if you find stuff like that i'd be interested in seeing it, but just let nate go, I don't think he's going to belive unless ... I don't know what.

this is starting to get too argumentative.

Perhaps V is part of the conspiracy. Wink


Aliens don't exist? o_0

Then how come I've seen so many doing contract work in the wake of Katrina?
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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2007, 05:32:03 PM »

this is getting stupid. nate's not going to take the time to research this so there's not much point. let's just drop it.

aura if you find stuff like that i'd be interested in seeing it, but just let nate go, I don't think he's going to belive unless ... I don't know what.

this is starting to get too argumentative.

Dude, what you keep calling research isn't real info!  You're looking at authors that cite themselves, occultists, wiccan bookes, atrologers, psychics, and fiction books.  Tell me how that's reliable information?
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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2007, 06:07:31 PM »

like i said before if you wanted to research it you could find materials that you would find "project blue book" reliable. if you were really interested you would look for sources that satisfy your criteria as they're out there, since youre dont appear to care to look from your previous posts ... i don't know, just let it go.
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« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2007, 06:34:47 PM »

Okay okay. Aliens aside, my ONLY beef with this whole post is Nathans black/white claims. I just wanted to point out that one can have an opinion AND choose sides without making the error of being ignorant/unscientific/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

I DON'T BELIEVE IN ALIENS...I THINK ALL UFO's CAN BE SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINED or proven as hoaxes.  That's my opinion as it is Nathans! But you can't go around just asserting claims that may someday be proven true or false. ie. You can't say THERE ARE NO ALIENS just as someone else can't say THERE IS NO GOD...even if it is your OPINION it is worded improperly.
I was only pointing out the error of your syntax. John Kerry? Fine... (I don't get that remark being Canadian but whatever).



By the way folks....this video actually has evidence now to support the argument that the video is a hoax.  (notice the wording of THAT one!  Wink )

CLICK HERE:  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e6_1186923383




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