how many years till beatmatching is a thing of the past in regards to djing
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2007, 03:56:05 PM »

If you're a DJ and you're playing just any old tracks,  your DJ license should be revoked.

I certainly know some people who should have theirs revoked if licenses actually existed.
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2007, 04:08:53 PM »

ack, crappy deal, thats pretty much all i do! lol  Wink
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2007, 08:20:08 PM »

well Joel, you DID start off with a remix of "It's a Fine Day"...granted it was an amazing remix, but still... 

Much Love to ya. You really rocked it, dood.  Cool
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2007, 08:25:26 PM »

when beatmatching dies, I will retire as a DJ. seriously. I can adapt to everything as long as I can be creative with the controls and I am the one doing the "grunt work". I refuse to let a computer program be the dj as I just stand there. If I can't be in charge of what happens with my set, what's the point.

WHOA!!!! There's A LOT more to DJing than beatmatching and freeing yourself from beatmatching only let's you EXPLORE those other options. Also, since YOU still have to tell the computer how to beatmatch (IE: warp files or set cue points) you still are doing the grunt work. It's just done during your prep time rather than prime time.
Well to be completely honest, I still fail very much to understand how Ableton works. I have played a bit with it, but I just don't get it. I would love to be able to buy Ableton, a trigger finger, and some other controller to make a good set up. Perhaps then I would be able to understand it.
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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2007, 09:56:34 PM »

when beatmatching dies, I will retire as a DJ. seriously. I can adapt to everything as long as I can be creative with the controls and I am the one doing the "grunt work". I refuse to let a computer program be the dj as I just stand there. If I can't be in charge of what happens with my set, what's the point.

WHOA!!!! There's A LOT more to DJing than beatmatching and freeing yourself from beatmatching only let's you EXPLORE those other options. Also, since YOU still have to tell the computer how to beatmatch (IE: warp files or set cue points) you still are doing the grunt work. It's just done during your prep time rather than prime time.

Well to be completely honest, I still fail very much to understand how Ableton works. I have played a bit with it, but I just don't get it. I would love to be able to buy Ableton, a trigger finger, and some other controller to make a good set up. Perhaps then I would be able to understand it.

well I tried to help you with that, though its hard to teach not in person.  I was gonna give you X-Session and Ableton Lite, then all you would of have to buy was a Trigger Finger, you gave up on me, dude.
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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2007, 12:06:20 AM »

ah!!! Now I feel all bad inside. Yay you, boo me.
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« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2007, 11:05:37 AM »

I'm a bit confused... when you guys complain about the lack of beatmatching, are you saying it's because DJs are playing sets with tracks trainwrecking all over the place, is it because they're just cutting from one track to another without transitions, or is it because a computer is doing all the pitch changes for them?
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« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2007, 12:14:44 PM »

....or is it because a computer is doing all the pitch changes for them?

I think most are talking about answer B, course, I've heard A also.
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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2007, 09:08:04 PM »

I'm a bit confused... when you guys complain about the lack of beatmatching, are you saying it's because DJs are playing sets with tracks trainwrecking all over the place, is it because they're just cutting from one track to another without transitions, or is it because a computer is doing all the pitch changes for them?

I think a lot of it is the computer is doing the work for them. Which it's really not, you just do the work before you go out, and only once.  It's more efficentcy than lazyness.
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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2007, 11:58:58 AM »

OK,serious talk.....

-if you're not scratching or doing other "vinyl tricks" there's no real need to spin vinyl.  people like the feel of vinyl.   get over it and learn to use a CD player.  Wink  it'll make you a better DJ in the long run.  every big DJ i saw at movement last year used CDs.  DJs like lil louie vega...and that dude is a BIG DJ. (not on an obsure DnB label) heheheh

-if you want to use vinyl & blow cash on dubplates (which are a LOT less expensive nowadays), go ahead.  waste your cash so you can look cool while blending 2 tracks together & never doing so much as a backspin... Wink

-setting up abelton & pre-preparing the tracks has to be a pain in the butt.  just from a convenience factor i think CD players will be around for a long time. if you know how to beatmatch, it's easy to burn a few discs & go to town.

-laptops are expensive. CDRs are not.

-all of this being said, i *think* what will happen is not abelton, but either:
1. the new pioneer-like CD players that you can plug a thumb drive into, load in your songs, and play them on the player like a CD.

OR

2. a compy with a nice interface that you do the same thing with.





when beatmatching dies, I will retire as a DJ. seriously. I can adapt to everything as long as I can be creative with the controls and I am the one doing the "grunt work". I refuse to let a computer program be the dj as I just stand there. If I can't be in charge of what happens with my set, what's the point.

..and yet the guy likes top 40 djs like rick dees...  Grin

hehe..i don't know how many times i have to say it: 95% of the world's DJs don't play exactly what they want to.  even the edm ones. even THEY play the hits that they may not like very much.
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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2007, 02:33:49 PM »

-setting up abelton & pre-preparing the tracks has to be a pain in the butt.  just from a convenience factor i think CD players will be around for a long time. if you know how to beatmatch, it's easy to burn a few discs & go to town.


I had the 1st gen of CDJ1000s and wound up selling them mainly cause I wasn't using them.   I was burning whole bunch of cds whereas I just drop mp3s on the HDD and boot up FS and away I go while using vinyl.  If I get another pair down the road, it will be the new HDD ones or Mp3 CD compatible.  Yes, I agree, all the work in Ableton is in the pre-stage, then all you have to do is drop and drag.

-if you're not scratching or doing other "vinyl tricks" there's no real need to spin vinyl.  people like the feel of vinyl.   get over it and learn to use a CD player.  Wink

that's what Traktor Scratch is for, better timecode for Turntablists.


-laptops are expensive. CDRs are not.

-all of this being said, i *think* what will happen is not abelton, but either:
1. the new pioneer-like CD players that you can plug a thumb drive into, load in your songs, and play them on the player like a CD.

OR

2. a compy with a nice interface that you do the same thing with.

yeah, but you can buy a laptop for same price as a CDJ1000.

Also, cd players similar to what you're talking about are out.  There's HDD ones, ones where IPODS can hook up and another type.

There's several applications already out that work similar to having two cd decks out in front.  One is M-Audio Torque with the huge controller.

Really all this new technology, is just making setups smaller but I don't think technology will ever take away what a DJ does.  So as all setup preference battles, like what this is turning into, use what you like and go with it. Cool
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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2007, 07:38:31 PM »

yeah... the cost of a laptop, software and midi controllers is about the same as buying one or 2 of the current Pioneer decks new. (lappie = $1k (assuming PC rather than Mac, Software = $300-500, Controller = $150-300 Total = ~$1,800)

BTW, here's one reason why macs are at a disadvantage in the live pa/digital dj relm: USB ports. Current mac book pros only have 2. The one closest to the power plug is the one with the most stable power. The "power level" drastically drops off by the time it gets to the other port. This means that if you have an external audio card, you have to put it on the first port. you midi controllers then have to be controlled via a USB hub which further divides your power and will cause your controllers to lock or at the very least become unresponsive at times. This happened to me during my live PA. I fortunately was able to power one of my controllers off batteries for a later show and I still at least had a working mouse I could use. I also managed to crash ableton a few times on the mac while prepping for the show.

Just buy a PC for live shows.
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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2007, 10:32:45 PM »

what about a PCMCIA card?  I've yet to experience that type of problem with usb ports and have four USB devices to connect to mine.
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2007, 05:21:25 AM »

Oh no, now Dave has entered the PC-MAC debate too.  Beatmatching isn't going anywhere, sure there are lots of people who think they are going to automate there DJ career, but the best use the technology to make there sets outstanding combining new and old.  If you can't beatmatch you haven't learned to DJ.  I personally don't like watching people who don't do some type of beatmatching, or programing live.   I don't want to watch someone all night who looks like they are just checking there email on stage.  Wink  I like the idea of some showmanship in some form.  Serato is really big in some areas, and I think the idea of using coded CD's or vinyl is the future.  Some reasons why people aren't pressing vinyl is because the pool has shrunk, not as many people are supporting the industry, although its picking up again.  I love vinyl but I like the new technology route quite a bit, I haven't bought any vinyl now in about 5 years, but there are still labels out there that get massive requests for vinyl and are pressing it up.  Downloads are on the rise still!
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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2007, 06:30:47 AM »

I ask this question again....How is beatmatching,  showmanship?  Seriously,  as I type this,  I knotice that moving the mouse and moving a pitch controller are the EXACT SAME MOTION.

I'll put myself using Ableton up against someone sing CDs/Vinyl anyday when it comes to putting on a show.
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