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« on: June 19, 2007, 03:15:43 PM »

to the unbeleiver what is the difference between christian and secular music? not just with EDM,but screamo,hardcore all of the edgy genres.  if the artist isn't saying anything about faith or God how do they know that it is done by a christian artist. i'm not against instrumentals i just want to know how are ppl supposed to tell the difference.  I'm not singling anyone out i hope, i'm just curious as to what others think about this.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2007, 03:52:47 PM »

well for the most part, lyrics.  Anything with lyrical content, you can tell if its christian or not.

For instrumentals, which is most of dance music, maybe the artist that wrote it is christian and also, I can tell the difference in the overall atmosphere of the track by non and christian most of the time.

I can already tell you we've had debates on instrumentals before and I just look at non-vocal tracks a way to bridge the gap and be played cross platformed plus atmosphere takes in big account if its instrumental.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 04:11:20 PM »

i guess the real question is how does the listener get any message out of it if it has no vocal message. not just singing but phrase samples spoken word something.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 04:28:25 PM »

well for some insight on the subject, here's a thread where your question has been asked before:

looking for some Christian Mixes w/lyrics(message)

Course, it turned into a debate and became a headache for some.  To answer your question, you don't hear a message without lyrics.  Now for another insight, I'll just tell it to ya straight, most of the events I played before in the past usually encompassed a DJ, then a band, then a speaker and a message or it was blatantly obvious it was in a christian venue and it was cool to play instrumentals.  If you're a DJ and the event won't have a speaker or message presented, then it would be good to play some vocal tracks.

My view is both are good and beneficial, vocal and non-vocal.  When I started DJing, I had no clue there was christian EDM, so using some discernment I scouted tracks with just good, clean music and fun to play.  Found tastyfresh and NSoul and found tracks talking about God.

Andy Hunter once talked about you can control the atmosphere of a club by what type of music you play and people have told his wife about how they notice something different about him when he is playing.  This leads to conversations of faith to non-believers and another good way to share the gospel.

thats just my view of it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2007, 04:46:41 PM »

Its a good questions

One thought i have about this is the passage in james that says show love with actions rather than words. Which to me also says that words are not the only way to communicate the things of God. I heard some one say recently about chrisitan doctors. do we expect them to be preachiing at every patient they meet and also .. whilst many doctors will believe in healing through prayer they will still see what part they can do to help someone to get better.

So yes the message is important but isnt worth thinking that there are many ways to communicate the message?
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2007, 04:54:37 PM »

excellent! i feel the same way. there is a time and place for everything. i just wanted to know if there were those that felt the same way. now as a producer i put some sort of biblical, Godly, or truthfull lyrical message in all my tracks. be it samples, or whatever. i guess it just bothers me when i here these big name christian artists say they don't want to be considered a christian artist. i think what are they doing for?  ya feel me?
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2007, 05:01:26 PM »

same here, vicar.

personally, reason I don't have vocals in my tracks are one of three:

1. I can't sing a lick.
2. Not too many vocalists around that are accessible for my projects.
3. Using samples off sites, other songs, etc., in my songs have to deal with copyrights.

I just consider myself as a christian writing trance and drum n bass.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2007, 05:08:41 PM »

same here, vicar.

personally, reason I don't have vocals in my tracks are one of three:

1. I can't sing a lick.
2. Not too many vocalists around that are accessible for my projects.
3. Using samples off sites, other songs, etc., in my songs have to deal with copyrights.

I just consider myself as a christian writing trance and drum n bass.

spoken word...?  record your own samples  soundforge  lots of fx  pitch it down an octave for a growlly drum n bass feel   i can't sing either.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2007, 07:00:22 PM »

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Certainly, the argument has been made to me over and over that music, by virtue of its boundless nature and appeal to many diverse tastes, cannot be pigeonholed by any one belief or religion. I wouldn’t be so ignorant to suggest that my music can only be relevant or appreciated by other Christians. Yet, I tire of the bad language and offensive content that I must listen to each and every time I turn on the radio. I find that the world has been so desensitized by secular ideals and immoral principles that there is no longer the desire, much less the ability, to do anything about it. For the most part, even Christians sit like dumb mutes in front of their stereos being force-fed notions like “love is a feeling that often goes away”, or “it can’t be bad if everyone is doing it!” without so much as blinking. This is not what Christ teaches. I’m sick of the degradation of our society. I am doing my part to stop it. In the music I produce that contains vocals and lyrics I will choose to exalt Jesus and uphold biblical truths. By labeling my music as Christian Trance, I am simply stating for the record that I am using my music to convey biblical principles. And it is much deeper than that. Everyone has seen the “Christian Rock” section at the music store and no one questions that. Why? Because obviously the lyrics are indoctrinated with Christian values. But what of the music? What about pure, instrumental music. Can it be Christian? I say it can, without a doubt. Consider the fact that this work is a physical offering to God, an act of worship. Not just the performance of the music itself, but the very act of creating it, designing it and working on it are all elements of the way I choose to worship the Lord. Therefore, it is more than a song. It is a sacrifice of praise. And what better genre to choose to do that!? Trance is uplifting, spiritual, and vibrant!”
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2007, 07:49:01 PM »

God gave vocal trance to you
Gave vocal trance to you
Put it in the soul-oul of everyone!

Sing it with me.....

Okay, I'm being silly. Sorry.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 07:58:57 PM »

Just a slightly random deep thought: Music does not have an eternal soul (neither is it self-aware) and therefore cannot be saved or even need saving. If that statement is true, then there is no way that music could ever be Christian.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2007, 08:43:02 PM »

Just a slightly random deep thought: Music does not have an eternal soul (neither is it self-aware) and therefore cannot be saved or even need saving. If that statement is true, then there is no way that music could ever be Christian.

i can appreciate the sarcasm, but really that was so not the point.

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  i can jive with that, but in mix sets i've revued lately they have been mostly instrumental with maybe 1 vocal track typically not saying anything relating to christian values. not that it was anti- christian or anything but nothing that told me it was by a christian artist other the announcer at the beggining.  we need more ppl like dj lorrainne, andy hunter, osmotic hype , even the dance chapel mixxes that aren't afraid to play songs with a blatantly christian message.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2007, 11:54:54 PM »

Just a slightly random deep thought: Music does not have an eternal soul (neither is it self-aware) and therefore cannot be saved or even need saving. If that statement is true, then there is no way that music could ever be Christian.

i can appreciate the sarcasm, but really that was so not the point.



Actually, I think that is the point.  I think the point is a bit over stated with the sarcasm but the point stands nonetheless.  For the sake of arguement, why do we need to have an "us vs. them" attitude when it comes to music?  I can appreciate the whole in the world vs of the world discussion but really, if we are so heavenly focused, how can we be any earthly good?
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2007, 01:29:45 AM »

Sky, you know me from that rave I played for you. I played primarily an instrumental set with a few vocal tracks. I purposely chose vocal tracks that reflected my faith in Christ because the event was billed as a Christian event. If the event was billed as a secular event, I would have still included some of those tracks that reflected my faith, however, I would have done one thing differently. I would have played more tracks that were recognizable by the secular crowd, barring lyrics that contradict who I am in Christ.

The thing you have to realize is this: music cannot have a distinction of Christian or secular. What makes the difference is a couple key components. The person who makes the music and the person who plays it out. Even if the music has scripture in it, that does not make it a Christian track. The Bible tells us that the devil knows scripture and has even quoted it to Jesus for his own plans. Anybody can use "gospel lyrics" in their tracks. That does not make them, nor the DJ playing it a Christian. What makes the whole difference is whether or not the person who wrote, recorded, or played the music is a Christian and has the personal conviction to back it up with Christ-like actions. I am not saying the Christian can play music that glorifies sex and drugs and alcohol and other lifestyles that are immoral. That would be contrary to that DJ's personal convictions and therefore would raise some suspicions about that DJ's commitment to living for Christ. I am saying that the DJ who is a Christian can play music of any style as long as the lyrical content does not go against the values that we learn in the Bible and our own personal faith an convictions.

I recently did a mixset called "aLife" and for me it was a personal step of growth as an artist and a DJ. It had lyrics that reflected life and all that it entails, from faith to heartbreak. It was dealing with some issues I have dealt with in my own life as a Christian.

So to answer your question, the difference is not in the music, but in the person behind the music.
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2007, 04:40:11 AM »

Well, i went to see mutemath last night, who are a band who happen to be Christians.

The support act weren't, f-ing and blinding all over the place, and they seemed really egotiostical.

Mutemath came on (crowd went wild), and preformed their tracks with an air of humility about them. Even though they were doing all their stage antics none of it seemed to be "ooooh look i can do this!"

Now i knew that they were Christian so i was picking all this up, but i wonder if anyone who didn't know they were Christian noticed the difference...

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