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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 08:05:04 AM »

rep... as in reputation. Like Bose. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 09:02:42 AM »

and do you feel the reputation is deserved or undeserved? In both cases out of interest...
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 09:13:41 AM »

Bose is really good at filling a room with sound. They're very bad if you want to accurately recreate the sound stage that the recording was made on.

How's that for a confusing answer?

Much of protools is fine and dandy, but it's reputation is such that if you use anything else, then what you produce with that other thing, by default, must be sub par.

Protools, like Bose, is and egotistical tool. It gets the job done, but it may not really be the best tool for the job (esp. depending on who is operating it). Sonar can give PT a run for its money and has. Like most tools though... it's not the actual tool, but the user of that tool. We sit and marvel at how things like the cathedrals of the middle ages, hage sophia or even the pyramids could be made with the tools they had back in those times, but these things were built and in many ways are superior to today's building standards.

The difference? The skill levels of those who built them.

Know your tools. Know which one to use. When to use them. Know why you are using them. Know that the answer isn't always buying a new tool. Know how to get creative with them to push them far beyond what is normally expected of them. Become the master of your tools and don't let them master you.

When you have done this, it doesn't matter if you are using ProTools, Ableton, Cubase, FL Studio, Reason or Sonar. Your work will shine as bright as any of the top productions out there.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2007, 09:13:49 AM »

It's my experience that programs like ProTools and Cubase are kinda clunky.  I've been able to do everything I could do in those programs and more in Ableton,  and a bit more.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 09:20:52 AM »

Bose is really good at filling a room with sound. They're very bad if you want to accurately recreate the sound stage that the recording was made on.

How's that for a confusing answer?

Much of protools is fine and dandy, but it's reputation is such that if you use anything else, then what you produce with that other thing, by default, must be sub par.

Protools, like Bose, is and egotistical tool. It gets the job done, but it may not really be the best tool for the job (esp. depending on who is operating it). Sonar can give PT a run for its money and has. Like most tools though... it's not the actual tool, but the user of that tool. We sit and marvel at how things like the cathedrals of the middle ages, hage sophia or even the pyramids could be made with the tools they had back in those times, but these things were built and in many ways are superior to today's building standards.

The difference? The skill levels of those who built them.

Know your tools. Know which one to use. When to use them. Know why you are using them. Know that the answer isn't always buying a new tool. Know how to get creative with them to push them far beyond what is normally expected of them. Become the master of your tools and don't let them master you.

When you have done this, it doesn't matter if you are using ProTools, Ableton, Cubase, FL Studio, Reason or Sonar. Your work will shine as bright as any of the top productions out there.

Wise words. And so true.

Defo the person using the tools than the tools themselves. Unless of course you are a tool yourself. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 09:23:46 AM »

Everyone is used by someone.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2007, 01:50:55 AM »

i think he just called you a tool dave... you gonna take that?


but seriously... i just stasing ableton after using reason, (and before that *gasp* rebirth) for many years and i can tell you that you can produce with ableton just as well as with dp4 or protools, or cubase, i have used all of them, and have come to realize i like ableton best, because of how it works, and the way the interface is, i guess its more of a personal preference than anything... again, echoing what was previously said, the tool is only as good as the person behind it, manipulating it skillfully. you can have 2 people with the same exact hammer, and get entirely different houses with the wood and nails... one can suxor, and the otherone could be the most elegant piece of artwork ever...

lookat sand castles... ive seen redonkulously awesome sand castles built using a plastic shovel and a bucket... now thats tallent
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2007, 05:07:21 AM »

I agree on somethings but not on others, Protools is a very great program especially when you get up the top end, but its the only program that has made sense to me I can do everything I need to in protools, Ableton jst seems like stepping backwards (my opinion), but I dont use it live where as Dave (other guy in Reborn) uses it for drum loops and he loves it so Reborn does use it I just dont like it. Im a Protools kiddy always has been always will be and thats that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 07:18:16 AM »

i think he just called you a tool dave... you gonna take that?

didn't I just say as much myself? Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 07:21:20 AM »

I agree on somethings but not on others, Protools is a very great program especially when you get up the top end, but its the only program that has made sense to me I can do everything I need to in protools,

Then use protools Smiley Just don't preach it like it's the only and best tool out there for everyone. That's what is at issue Smiley I'll even admit PT is nice and does a good job. So does Bose. It's just a matter of being the right tool for the job for the person doing the job.

Ableton jst seems like stepping backwards (my opinion)

Yeah... that was my opinion too until about 7 months ago when I had to start seriously using it for the podcast. I will never fully leave Sonar, but I will be moving more of my production over time to Ableton. Sonar will become a mastering platform I think.
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2007, 01:58:10 PM »

I didnt mean to make it into a PT Vs Ableton topic sorry. Maybe all I need is time and the right application to force me to work through Ableton.
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