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Topic: "Christian" as an adjective (Read 2384 times)
Dave Richards
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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Reply #30 on:
May 17, 2007, 07:25:59 AM »
as I said... 2 members are Christian Bono and I don't remember the other guy's name. Since then, they all might be. If I was a real U2 fan, I'd know. I don't doubt Bono's faith though.
BTW, if the standard for being a Christian is how many people they've led to Christ, I'd challenge you to put yourself on that chopping block too. How many have you saved? How many should someone who has been a Christian for as long as you or Bono for than matter should be saved?
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 17, 2007, 08:18:27 AM »
Guy's we aren't going to agree on this point there are different strokes for different Folks. Let it go. This is the kind of thing that gives Christians a bad name. Cut it out. Dave and Davo your both brothers in Christ but your both acting like idiots. Stop arguing over the small things and rejoice that your both living your Christian Life as you think it should be lived.
Dang when will Christians as a whole stop shooting thier wounded.
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Dave Richards
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 17, 2007, 08:28:11 AM »
This isn't really a different strokes issue though. In general, I agree with you though Thom. Stop shooting the wounded. That's exactly what many of the "Christ-Followers" are doing by separating themselves from the "Christians."
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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Reply #33 on:
May 17, 2007, 02:49:22 PM »
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on May 17, 2007, 07:06:49 AM
Quote from: Imhotep on May 17, 2007, 04:02:46 AM
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 16, 2007, 07:41:49 PM
I've got limited time so...
wow, i'd like to see how much you'd write in free time!
Thought the same thing.
same here
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 18, 2007, 11:16:08 AM »
Quote from: Ethan Bliss on May 17, 2007, 07:15:31 AM
Quote from: Digital Aura on May 16, 2007, 05:59:54 PM
I'm Canada's biggest U2 fan....but let's get real. U2 are not Christians. They decided to follow Adam's advice (he threatened to end it if they continued as Christians) and took the wider road. I do not see the Christ-like lifestyle in any of them... ie. how many people have they saved? Maybe saved some from poverty or from AIDS...but that doesn't really help anyone now does it?
Well, I don't remember enough details to find it again now, but about a year ago I remember reading an interview with Bono on CNN or Time or someplace like that where he gave a presentation of the gospel pretty much straight out C.S. Lewis'
Mere Christianity.
I'd like to know how you know they're not christians...i didn't know dropping the F bomb got you kicked out of the club.
if you're Canada's BIGGEST U2 fan, then you'd know Bono & the others (except the bass player) have never denyed their faith.
Sure, they've had a rocky path & sinned a lot. I didn't know there was a magic sin that got you kicked out of the club.
interesting..i didn't any PERSON could save another PERSON. You have no idea how many people their music has ministered to or how many people they have witnessed to. Did you know Bono talked about the gospel with noel from Oasis & sent him a copy of "what's so amazing about grace?" by Philip Yancy?
as a matter of fact, i had a nice opportunity to talk to 2 of my friends last night because they found out that alice cooper was a christian, and then i told them about Bono.
you see, that kind of thing changes peoples' attitudes. just getting someone to think christians are not psychos is a victory.
& as far as not helping anyone by helping people with AIDS in africa or getting countries to forgive billions in third world debt: I can't think of a better way to live out your faith than to care for "the least of these"
no, U2 aren't billy graham reaping the harvest. They sure are sowing a lot of seed, though.
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 16, 2007, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Davo on May 16, 2007, 05:25:42 PM
3. since when is not being called a christian artist denying your faith? huh?? I don't know anywhere that andy hunter says he's a "christian musician". I DO know he says constantly " i love God and i love people"..and isn't that what it's really all about? isn't that what everyone's heroe's Shiloh strive to do? I don't see their statement of faith on the front page of their homepage.
that doesn't make them any less "Christian."
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that by separating yourself from "those Christians" you are denying Christ. Why? Because you are not showing your fellow believer love, but rather a form of hatred. You are also breaking the unity we are supposed to have as the body of Christ. Didn't Jesus say that as we have done for the least of these, we have done to him? Come on. You are not uniting yourself with the rest of the body of Christ if you do not want to be associated with "fundamentalists." The same goes for "Fundamentalists" who don't want to be associated with you. If we are not united, can we really say we are truly followers of Christ?
It's completely appropriate to say you disagree with someone's interpretation of the scripture
without
having any animosity towards them. You can still be allied with the church and disagree with some of it's members. I'm allowed to disagree with arminian/dispensationalist/pre/mid rapture people without dividing the church, Dave.
And I'm allowed to say that much of US Evangelicalism with the name it and claim it/superchurch model has given Jesus a bad name.
My guess is i've defended the origins of the term fundamentalist AND explained what the term Christian means to more people than you have, Dave, so don't be so quick to judge my motives.
boy, are you missing the point. i addressed much of this in the other thread.
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 18, 2007, 11:27:01 AM »
You missed my point too. I
never
said it's wrong for you to disagree with other Christians.
My point was that just because you disagree with other Christians, you don't start separating yourself from them by calling yourself anything other than a Christian. Period.
You don't let those you disagree with have full rights to the name of the faith you hold on to, the name that most of the people in the world know your faith as. You don't. You fight to clear its name. Period.
Now... I also believe that you can disagree with your fellow Christian and still work with him. I fully believe that. You and are are not agreeing now, but I would work with you in a second to accomplish something for God. Christians publicly attacking other Christians does a GREAT damage to our faith. If we can't show each other love, we can't show the world love.
BTW, I totally agree with you about U2 and seeds though. And... according to the dictionary,
Christian is both a noun and an adjective
. Shame it's not a verb instead of the other two huh?
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 18, 2007, 01:36:22 PM »
Quote from: Digital Aura on May 16, 2007, 05:59:54 PM
I do not see the Christ-like lifestyle in any of them... ie. how many people have they saved? Maybe saved some from poverty or from AIDS...but that doesn't really help anyone now does it?
Digital Aura, I'm sorry to pick on you and go off topic, but this is the quintessential example of what is wrong with the church today.
Please explain how you think being like Christ is "saving" people, and how it doesn't help anyone to fight poverty and desease. I apologize, but your statement baffles me.
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 18, 2007, 02:29:57 PM »
My 2 cents related to what Noah's OT post (I LOVE a good tangent
)....
If Christians, Christ Followers, [insert your label of preference here] (myself included) all truly lived the way God intended us to, it wouldn't be heaven on earth because it is a fallen world.
However
, government social programs would wither from lack of demand, homelessness would be hugely reduced, orphanages would be far emptier, etc. And an increased level of conversions would be a natural byproduct because everyone would want to know what made us so different. They would want what we had. Not everyone, or even most people--that whole "narrow is the way and few find it" thing--but the world would be a far different place.
I believe we'll have an even greater appreciation for God's grace through Jesus when we get to Heaven and realize how much we
could have
done compared to what we
did
do.
Oh, and don't forget.... I'm chastizing myself here. I've been really realizing lately that I'm not nearly as loving and accepting a person as I thought I was.
Tangent Man signing off!
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Dave Richards
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 18, 2007, 03:11:15 PM »
^ pretty much agree there. BTW, for the record, when the Red Cross needs people to help do a lot of the support work on site that they need, it's the Southern Baptists (among other denominations) they turn to first. These so-called fundamentalist, cold-hearted conservative haters are the first called in to help and they do in force. The SBC is FAR from perfect, but it does more than most people thinks it does to assist in community issues.
Sowing seeds is always needed.
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Davo
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Re: "Christian" as an adjective
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May 20, 2007, 12:42:23 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 18, 2007, 03:11:15 PM
These so-called fundamentalist, cold-hearted conservative haters are the first called in to help and they do in force. The SBC is FAR from perfect, but it does more than most people thinks it does to assist in community issues.
as i said (in the other thread?) i've defended & explained the term fundamentalist to a lot of people i know.
here's an example of what i think is appropriate to say to the SBC which i don't think is devisive, but rather corrective:
'on a national stage you come out and reaffirm and
stress
your doctrine that wives should be submissive to their husbands. how about stressing the important of husbands sacrificing themselves as Jesus did for the church? how about stressing feeding the poor or helping the orphans and widows in the press release?
How you said what you said makes all of us look foolish & arrogant & backwards.'
is that OK to say or not?
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 18, 2007, 11:27:01 AM
My point was that just because you disagree with other Christians, you don't start separating yourself from them by calling yourself anything other than a Christian. Period.
even though you yourself said the early christians called themselves "followers of the way"? I doubt God cares one bit whether you call yourself a christian or follower of Jesus. I sure don't see the distinction in the Bible, and i know baptists believe in sola scriptura.
Seems to be just a social convention than a command of God.
and *sigh again* it's not separating from others. it's disagreeing with them. if we can't disagree, then this isn't really a growing body of disciples, is it? it's just a bunch of converts sitting around in their "us and them club" and thinking they have all the answers.
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 18, 2007, 11:27:01 AM
according to the dictionary,
Christian is both a noun and an adjective
. Shame it's not a verb instead of the other two huh?
yeah, well according to the dictionary this is the definition of marriage now:
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage
the dictionary defines how people use words. that doesn't prove doctrine.
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Amazing grace, how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now I’m found.
Was blind, but now I see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT88jBAoVIM
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