Its actually about the same worth these days given the exchange rate... but it's probably some english-yankee translation error.

I think it can be pretty dumb because of a couple reasons.  It works well as alienation towards many people who have had bad experiences with the church and christians.  It's not a shame thing, it's simply not wanting someone to believe that Christ has to do with these people. Also it's fairly limiting, in that, for some reason (as in electronic music) your music will only get to those who are most likely conservative christians.  At that point your music only goes to the family christian stores.  And after that, your music will constantly be scrutinized for "christian" content.

I will write more later as to why I think it's dangerous.  Thanks for your comments so far.  They're pretty interesting to me.

You guys are a lot more feisty then i remember

I'm not talking about anyone specifically, and certainly not anyone on this board.  i am also not talking about calling yourself a christian.  i'm talking about using "christian" as an adjective.  not neccessarily in music - that was just an example.  and in the example, i was simply trying to say that for people who make "christian" music it can be difficult to be progressive.  this is from not only personal experience, but many experiences of close friends.

Dave, I think it is our issue if we alienate them.  But that's my opinion.  And I'm ok with it if you disagree.  Also, I don't understand what you mean when you say I'm making excuses.  Could you elaborate?

Forgive me if im misunderstanding you, but with regards to "not wanting someone to believe that Christ has to do with these people" - Christ died for the people that are misrepresenting the church whether they are behaving right or not. Even the christians who have misrepresented the church and made mistakes are still under Gods grace.

We mustnt disregard other christians because they make mistakes.

OK, here come the heavy guns...IE bible:

1. Paul and the apostles & early believers didn't call themselves christians (as far as i know).  They simply followed Jesus. They were disciples of Jesus, not "christians"
     The term Christian was NOT A NICE TERM. It was a term of derision. People said it with venom in their voices in the first century AD, "look at those Little Christs (aka christians) running around acting all weird. cannibals & atheists! every one of 'em!" (look it up...)

2. you believe in the fundamental truths of the Bible, Dave. Do you go around introducing yourself as a fundamentalist? i didn't think so.  
   do you call yourself a puritan? surely you believe much of what they  believed...
  oh, no? why not??

3. since when is not being called a christian artist denying your faith? huh??  I don't know anywhere that andy hunter says he's a "christian musician". I DO know he says constantly " i love God and i love people"..and isn't that what it's really all about? isn't that what everyone's heroe's Shiloh strive to do?  I don't see their statement of faith on the front page of their homepage.
  that doesn't make them any less "Christian."



then you are absolutely blind to what's going on, Dave.  ask Derilious? or any NUMBER of other bands who've lost literally millions because of the label.  They're judged before they even get out of the gate because of a stupid label.  

    there is a reason U2 shied away from the label..NOT because they were ashamed of their faith,but because in the USA the word was associated with televangelist hucksters in the very early 80's,a nd they didn't want to be associated with that.
   even DC Talk has said before, "we're just guys who write songs about stuff that's important to us just like everyone else".

come on now, has ANYONE who writes music here NOT experienced this prejudice again and again when posting their music on EDM sites to be reviewed?
  Do you want to make a statement or do you want to make an impact?  That's the question here.

-like i've said 50,000 times over...what, 7 years? on this site: that is FINE if you want to write worship music.  it's FINE if you want to write love songs or just instrumental tracks.  it's FINE if you want to be a "christian artist" (within the christian community) and it's FINE if you want to be "an artist who is a (follower of christ)"  
  just understand what you are getting into in each situation.

if you want to be out in the world,a small thing like this can make all the difference in the world.

I've got limited time so...


Actually, if you read Acts, you will see that very quickly they adopted the term "The Way" to represent their beliefs and they themselves were called "Followers of the Way".

Now, beyond that, you are correct... it wasn't a nice term. However, if it wasn't a nice term, why did the Christians still use it? Why is it that at Antioch then they "adopt" that name?

It seems to me, they decided early on to call themselves this and did so knowing that they would be persecuted. Then again... were they persecuted for the name or for their beliefs? If it's the later, you don't get any benefit from changing the former. History teaches us that it really was the later.


Show me in the Bible where the early Christians added adjectives to describe what type of Christian they were. Fundamentalist is an adjective describing the type of Christianity you follow. Seriously. The question you are asking here is just stupid and isn't what I'm talking about here.


I'm not saying that. I'm saying that by separating yourself from "those Christians" you are denying Christ. Why? Because you are not showing your fellow believer love, but rather a form of hatred. You are also breaking the unity we are supposed to have as the body of Christ. Didn't Jesus say that as we have done for the least of these, we have done to him? Come on. You are not uniting yourself with the rest of the body of Christ if you do not want to be associated with "fundamentalists." The same goes for "Fundamentalists" who don't want to be associated with you. If we are not united, can we really say we are truly followers of Christ?


I was talking about US... the EDM market. Period. Not Rock. Even there, I STILL don't see it with all the cross overs right now. I know I'm not as connected to the rock scene though.


U2 originally was not made up of all believers. I don't know about them now, but it would be wrong to have called them a Christian band in the since that the 1980's were talking and even today.

Now... again... if it was just b/c of the TV hucksters... I still say shame on them. Call yourself a Christian, but call out those hucksters. You don't change who you are or who you associate with just b/c there are some bad apples in the pot no matter how noisy they are. You throw out the bad apples, not the good ones.


Yup. I normally can defend myself just fine in those situations. In the end, I get more respect than I had before from those communities. If things are so stacked against us, why is it that TF now has secular labels coming to us to ask us to review their music? The EDM culture, the more professional end of it, not the average clubber is ready and willing to embrace us.


You can't make an impact if you are not honest with those you want to make an impact on.


I am a Christian. My music reflects what I believe and the struggles I have. I will be open with it and I will still be accepted by secular labels. Nettwerk America signed Andy Hunter knowing full well what he was and what he believed. No problem there. They've picked him back up again for the new album. He's held fast to calling himself and associating himself with Christianity and he is accepted in the secular scene. Then there is Q of Uberzone who will admit he is a Christian at the drop of a hat when asked. Stop whining and grow up.


You have a very, VERY narrow view of the type of doors God will open for you if he wants you to do something. Where is your faith? It's not showing in this statement at all.

You don't compromise who you are, disguise it, or seperate yourself to get in the door. You shouldn't have to. If you do, the door isn't worth entering. Do what Paul and the other early Christians do when they are rejected: knock the dust of your shoes and walk to the next town and repeat.

People are going to reject you and reject Christ everywhere you go no matter what you call it. Compromise isn't going to correct this. Only God can open the doors for you.

  Thought the same thing.