i agree with kneesha...

i,m all about dating friends... i don't think i could date someone without knowing them 1st... maybe like a 1 date thing or a blind date or whatever... btu serious dating... she's gotta be 1 of my friends... and honestly... i,m all about dating close friends... most of the time (for me) the breakups end up in great friendships... just look at dan and his wife and me... if i would have never dated a close friend from college then i would have never met dan.... how crazy is that? i,m so glad karissa and i stayed friends and i became amazing friends with her now husband 

hahahahahaha

trust me... u would know if u dated me or not 

i,m just that awesome 

Okay, so I'm a pretty, thin, petite blonde.  LOTS of guys ask me out.  A LOT.

Well, half the time (yes, I said half the time, if not more often) when guys find out I'm not a dumb blonde, they run the other way.  Literally.  They never explain themselves, they don't pass go, or collect their $200.  They just completely disappear, never to be heard from again.  Why I know it's because they're intimidated?  It's always after a sufficient time has passed that I've told them enough about myself that they realize I'm way more successful than them.  And, after a period of time, all I hear from them is wishing that they had their s*** together like I did.  No joke.  Not too long after that, they act all depressed and try to get me to feel sorry for them and their lack of maturity, adulthood, and having their crap together-ness.  They always blame it on someone else, too.  Then, they just vanish. 

Yeah, that sucks.  Really. 

And, I'm with Kneesh.  I DO NOT like it when a guy comes straight out and asks me out.  I KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt, that he's judging me based on outer appearances, and, seriously, whether a person is a attractive or not, they don't like it.  I don't like it.  I like it even less now that I'm older.  When guys ask me out, they have this little fantasy built up in their head, and they know absolutely NOTHING about who I really am.

On a side note, my current bf and I were friends for months and months, with NO intention, whatsoever, of hooking up.  In fact, we made an effort not to, because neither of us were interested in dating anyone.  At all.  That, and we are both working on a joint music project and didn't want there to be a conflict of interest.  But, well, things happen.   

I have been reading this topic and going back and forth on whether I should add my 2 cents worth.

Personally, I have kissed dating goodbye...hello...and everything in between that all those lovely books instruct you to do and well at this point nothing has worked.  (Well depending on how you define success I suppose.)  I have taken just about every mindset out there and they all have their flaws.  I'll admit I'm jaded by it all and don't believe that it will happen to me...yet I hope it will.  Gotta love the irony.

But all that aside...I have learned a ton from my friends...because you don't live long enough to make all the mistakes yourself.  So take in what others say.

I'm not trying to be the bummer in this party but Greg I want to tell ya something from experience.  You may be "over her" right now, but it'll creep back up.  I'd be willing to bet it kinda already has.  I'm betting because of what you say here...


You'll probably have to deal with the feelings multiple times on various levels.  I know this because it is something I'm dealing with and want to warn you.

All that goes with love, like, relationships and all that stuff can drive a person insane but from what I hear it's worth.

I'll end my 2 cents worth with a quote from a song that I have been saying for years...

"For I have seen the suffering loneliness can cause, when we choose to give our love away without a righteous cause."

Did I kill the discussion

The first thought that popped in my head when I saw FRIEND ZONE, was the phaze where you go through being accepted by HER friends... Since that is not what the question means, I will also put my 2 cents in.

Lets say that she has been your friend for about a month or 2.... ask yourself "Am I interested in her? Do I like her? Do I see her as more than a friend?" Because dating has been proven to me, to fail, I say You tell her the day that you realize that you see her for who she really is, with all her flaws, that you know w/o a shadow of a doubt that you love her.

For me, it took me an 8 year relationship with a girl that I have only met online, and the last year, finally having the courage to fly to cali to see her....all that time of being loyal to the end, and she decides to go back on drugs.... It was like I felt like beating myself up from all the pain that I felt after that.... Well, soon after, God led me to www.relationships.com after placing my situation in his Merciful hands. I met the love of my life 2 weeks later and after about 10 months we becamed engaged.

The point to my story is that I asked My New Love to be my girlfriend after only 2 weeks. God showed me that all my loyalness had shown when I was with my ex-G/F, and just pray, that he wants only the best for me, because he loves me. Is she worth investing your time, and life? Whether if she is the one or not, God will make it happen, when you let him.