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Dave Richards
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2007, 06:23:19 AM »
The only though is this: Which one allows the record companies to have LESS over head and sell more product: Mp3 or Vinyl?

The answer is clear and I hate to say it, the consumer won't get a choice. Period.
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2007, 09:46:18 AM »
aS A LABEL OWNER,  i HAVE TWO CHOICES....

1.  Press 100 records for $500 with full art on the labels and sleeves, pray that I sell 41 copies at $11.99 to break even,  and hope that my distributor doesn't jerk me around.  BY the way,  if those other 59 records don't sell,  I'm just stuck with them.

or....

2.  Get my own distribution deal with sites like AudioJelly,  Trackitdown and Play Digital,  do a quality mastering of my MP3 and put my MP3s up for sale at $1.99 each.  If my track doesn't turn out to be as popular,  I've invested no cash,  and I'm not left with a bunch of records sitting around.
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2007, 10:42:31 AM »
thats why Final Scratch, Serato Scratch Live, and Traktor Scratch are the best thing for people who like vinyl.  Best of both worlds, vinyl and mp3 technology.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2007, 02:27:35 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 21, 2007, 06:23:19 AM
The only though is this: Which one allows the record companies to have LESS over head and sell more product: Mp3 or Vinyl?

The answer is clear and I hate to say it, the consumer won't get a choice. Period.

Hm, it's not that I want to debate if the consumer has a choice. . . because I still have a choice. I will buy the new cinematic orchestra on exclusive 39 euro ltd vinyl edition. Maybe I've the luck to live in a city whit the choice to dig the crates endlessly.
I don't know much about the situation in the US.

But isn't there a relation between DJ culture and counterculture? And how can we stay independent?
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2007, 06:08:50 AM »
you still have to make wise choices and quite frankly, the wise choice is mp3. The problem is the startup cost like Oneel said. You have to invest and RISK more as a small indie label to put out a physical product. If it doesn't sell, you're stuck with product AND debt. You can't be successful that way.

There are so many mp3's out there that it's probably going to be EASIER to remain underground and counter culture. Why? B/c ppl still have to know that you exist Wink If they don't know this, then they won't go looking for your music.
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2007, 12:35:07 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 21, 2007, 06:23:19 AM
The only thought[sp?] is this: Which one allows the record companies to have LESS over head and sell more product: Mp3 or Vinyl?

The answer is clear and I hate to say it, the consumer won't get a choice. Period.

Why not both?

A few labels now offering a Vinyl and MP3 hybrid
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2007, 12:44:59 PM »
Why? $$$$$ is the answer. Labels that can afford to do both will. Read Oneel's post for more details on why most won't go this route.

It's not a matter of providing both, it's a matter of one format not being as profitable as the other and being more risky by nature.
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2007, 10:59:41 PM »
Did you view my link, Dave? It talks about vinyl records that include mp3s.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2007, 02:59:03 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 22, 2007, 12:44:59 PM
Why? $$$$$ is the answer. Labels that can afford to do both will. Read Oneel's post for more details on why most won't go this route.

It's not a matter of providing both, it's a matter of one format not being as profitable as the other and being more risky by nature.

I know it's hard when one start a label. And I know MP3 changed the possibilities for me as a artist. That's not what I question.  Wink

But I think we as DJ shouldn't declare vinyl death. For super elctronic I don't mind playing an MP3. . . but I play also old jazz, bossa, classical, dub as well. The medium does play a role and I feel connected to a tradition. In this sense I make choices and the shops / labels I buy also. Most distribute multiple ways (vinyl / Cd / Mp3).

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2007, 12:36:42 PM »
Quote from: john.christian on May 22, 2007, 10:59:41 PM
Did you view my link, Dave? It talks about vinyl records that include mp3s.

Yes. Did you read mine? Wink Seriously. It's not about the media type you supply your customers, it's about the cost of investment vs the potential return on that investment. Period. Giving the mp3 out with the vinyl is FINE, but... you still have the cost of the vinyl pressing and distribution problems.
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2007, 12:42:12 PM »
Quote from: GL on May 23, 2007, 02:59:03 AM
But I think we as DJ shouldn't declare vinyl death. For super elctronic I don't mind playing an MP3. . . but I play also old jazz, bossa, classical, dub as well. The medium does play a role and I feel connected to a tradition. In this sense I make choices and the shops / labels I buy also. Most distribute multiple ways (vinyl / Cd / Mp3).

Sure, but the market is changing. CD sales dropped yet another 20% last year. Vinyl might be up, but up from how far down? The physical market is in it's death throws for multiple reasons. Technology time and time again has surpassed tradition and simply doesn't respect it. Music used to be unrecorded. Then came sheet music. Then came the first recordings and sheet music wasn't needed as much and it keeps on going. Today, the mp3 is replacing the CD and vinyl. This won't be stopped.
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2007, 12:46:12 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on May 23, 2007, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: john.christian on May 22, 2007, 10:59:41 PM
Did you view my link, Dave? It talks about vinyl records that include mp3s.

Yes. Did you read mine? Wink

I didn't see a link. 0_~

Quote from: Dave Richards on May 23, 2007, 12:36:42 PM
Seriously. It's not about the media type you supply your customers, it's about the cost of investment vs the potential return on that investment. Period. Giving the mp3 out with the vinyl is FINE, but... you still have the cost of the vinyl pressing and distribution problems.

Understood.
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2007, 12:41:02 PM »
vinyl vinyl!!!! 
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2007, 06:49:51 PM »
Vinyl isn't dead,  but everyone's seriously considering turning off the ventilator
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