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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2007, 04:41:29 PM »
Quote from: Davo on April 13, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
even pays a guy to program it.

OK... I hear this so often and NOBODY offers ANY proof. If this were true... ALL of the main producers out there are fakes. It sounds more like wealth envy to me.
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2007, 07:23:04 AM »
hmmmmm, DJ-ing. For me it's just making love to the music. Sorting, crate diggin and listening. I play lots of jazz, so for me this hasn't that much to do with ableton, or whatever software.


DJ section: . . . back in the TF days, something really DJ-section-like: monthly top ten lists! New arrivals, must haves . . .  I think that's somthing DJ-ing brings, collecting & sharing.

surely I produce too. . . but that's untill now, another world. I hope both will come closer together in the future. 

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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2007, 09:13:20 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on April 13, 2007, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: Davo on April 13, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
even pays a guy to program it.

OK... I hear this so often and NOBODY offers ANY proof. If this were true... ALL of the main producers out there are fakes. It sounds more like wealth envy to me.

you talkin to me?  Grin   i'm not envious...it was in an old article that he hires an engineer to program the old sequencer he uses.

it's not a big deal, i'm just mentioning that producers get things done. regardless of the circumstances.    they find a way to get stuff out there....


i notice noone addressed the solutions i offered....very typical around here any more...

hey! lets gripe about this same topic 3months from now, shall we!  smiley8

THE BEST WAY TO GET YOUR NAME OUT THERE AS A DJ IS TO DJ. PERIOD!!  pound the pavement, make cold calls if you have to, and get the gigs.  i'm talking to myself here as well, because i'm learning this right now. 

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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2007, 10:28:17 PM »
Quote from: Davo on April 16, 2007, 09:13:20 PM
THE BEST WAY TO GET YOUR NAME OUT THERE AS A DJ IS TO DJ. PERIOD!!  pound the pavement, make cold calls if you have to, and get the gigs.  i'm talking to myself here as well, because i'm learning this right now. 

I agree, that's what I was kinda saying.  As long as you're doing what you do best and then pushing yourself to do your best and then also doing the behind the scenes work of making calls, pushing mix cds, getting on gigs, etc.  Your gift will shine and make room for you among others.  God doesn't give you a gift without you having to work for it or work your gift even.
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2007, 01:04:24 AM »
wow, this thread really took a wierd turn.

I was just trying to figure out why all of a sudden the dj section is talking about production software such as ableton. That's all.  laugh
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2007, 01:08:56 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2007, 07:20:28 AM »
Quote from: dj404 on April 17, 2007, 01:04:24 AM
wow, this thread really took a wierd turn.

I was just trying to figure out why all of a sudden the dj section is talking about production software such as ableton. That's all.  laugh

B/c some of us DJ with it??  Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2007, 07:42:47 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on April 17, 2007, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: dj404 on April 17, 2007, 01:04:24 AM
wow, this thread really took a wierd turn.

I was just trying to figure out why all of a sudden the dj section is talking about production software such as ableton. That's all.  laugh

B/c some of us DJ with it??  Tongue
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Regarding creativity. You can do more with two turntables and a mxier then you can with just one turntable. Could grand master flash have started with just one tunrtable?

Graphic design has come on leaps nad bound since designers turned to the computer. They use to do nice stuff without computers, but the designers can now do with computers that was never possible with a scaple and letra set! Again im not arguing ableton above turnatables, but i think we are just at the begiing of new innovation with digital djing!
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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2007, 12:27:13 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on April 17, 2007, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: dj404 on April 17, 2007, 01:04:24 AM
wow, this thread really took a wierd turn.

I was just trying to figure out why all of a sudden the dj section is talking about production software such as ableton. That's all.  laugh

B/c some of us DJ with it??  Tongue

that and because Dave condensed the boards.  Theres not really a place where producers can discuss studio equipment. There's the Producers and In Progress but most think it as the production technique and preview forum.
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2007, 01:06:30 PM »
Um... Dunamis, that IS the place to discuss those things. this is the place to discuss dj tools and techniques as well as hot tracks, charts and so on.
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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2007, 01:45:28 PM »
Quote from: dj404 on April 11, 2007, 06:22:43 AM
See!!!!

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there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce

Dave, I told you that people are saying this and you said it's not true....I hate to say it but it is becoming true.

Quote from: Dave Richards on April 11, 2007, 07:45:35 AM
Quote from: dj404 on April 11, 2007, 06:22:43 AM
I only really want to DJ.

Then... DJ. Be the best DJ you can be and don't complain when things change.

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Quote from: Davo on April 13, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
you can book tons of gigs locally for yourself,bro.  print up some flyers that are "resumes" and mail them to 500 churches. you'll get gigs...


THE BEST WAY TO GET YOUR NAME OUT THERE AS A DJ IS TO DJ. PERIOD!!  pound the pavement, make cold calls if you have to, and get the gigs.  i'm talking to myself here as well, because i'm learning this right now. 

x2


you can succeed as a DJ....do what you like and put effort into it (that goes for me too.)  I just ended up liking both DJing and producing, I was a DJ before producing, saw the technology and got hooked. But really I've always wanted to write music even before when I just played bass and guitar.  Of course now my DJing skills is rusty but producing the music has given me a better feel for it and has helped when I approach the decks.




Quote from: Dave Richards on April 11, 2007, 07:45:35 AM
Quote from: dj404 on April 11, 2007, 06:22:43 AM
So what about someone like myself who's tracks don't sound good due to outdated gear and can't afford the gear to make good tracks?

You use the best that you have and you work, work, work, work and work. Something only sounds as dated as you let it be. Just KNOW ahead of time that the sounds are dated and then try to apply them in a NEW way. That's what graphic design is often times about. In the 80-90's, design heavily borrowed from the 50s, then the 60s, then the 70s...

Come on... outdated gear??? Why is a 303 and a 909 still sought after gear then?

Quote from: dj404 on April 11, 2007, 06:22:43 AM
yeah, yeah, I know there's free software, but I like to create my own stuff and you just can't create your own samples from software.


Now you're lying to yourself on this. All I do is create my own samples and loops from software. This is esp true on my tribal stuff. You have a midi keyboard right? All you need is a softsynth.

Quote from: dj404 on April 11, 2007, 06:22:43 AM
Sure you can take a royalty free loop disc and edit the samples to sound diffrent, but that's cheating and unoriginal.

It's not cheating, but it certainly isn't as original as it could be unless you REALLY tweak the loops out.

Quote from: Davo on April 13, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
& this whole outdated equipment excuse is balony.  fatboy slim uses all loops & uses ancient equipment & even pays a guy to program it.
 guys have been signed using that loopmaker thing on PS2...just be creative with what you have.


yeah, theres really no outdated gear, there are improvements and newer versions but I read Remix and have seen people with old setups.  I've seen people on another forum make good stuff with less, in fact, come over and talk, www.silexz-studios.com/forum.  SOme of those just have FL Studio and use native VSTs and better samples.  Using loops are fine, sometimes you can't edit like you can with a sequencer or sampler but still write music and make it good.  You can find good samples on the internet and then good cds are not that expensive.

Dave is right, for a basic setup all you need is a pc, midi controller and some synths and samples. I told you do what you like and that is DJing.  But if you really want to pursue it, what exactly do you have to write music with?
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2007, 01:50:46 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on April 18, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
Um... Dunamis, that IS the place to discuss those things. this is the place to discuss dj tools and techniques as well as hot tracks, charts and so on.

then please move the RecTable thread to the producers section it got shifted during the condensing and I think there was another.
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2007, 01:58:04 PM »
What RecTable thread??? And... a few out of place threads doesn't mean the system has changed.
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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2007, 12:45:04 AM »
when i write tunes on my compy, i like to use the looping function and then pretend that i am djing cuz djs are teh cool.
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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2007, 07:25:13 AM »
haha
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