Why is the DJ section starting to look more and more like a producers section?
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2007, 10:23:12 PM »

to be honest, I started out producing and started djing to enhance my production and I realized how much of production skills helps with djing... eq, understanding when and when not to use effects, harmonic mixing, building atmospheres, etc

I pretty much use tracks as instruments that I layer over each other rather than play-crossfade-play-crossfade- etc

And in the same right, djing has enhanced my production skills, because I know what works best in a mixset and what can just clash, and producing makes my djing better...
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2007, 05:49:16 AM »

Here is a quote from David Guetta on the matter.

What’s your advice for at-home DJs hoping to break through with a remix?When I began, it was all about DJing, and so you had to be the best DJ. Now, it’s more about being the best producer, and then you have a chance to DJ, which is I think a little bit strange. Now the market’s global and there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce. The only advice I can give as a DJ is to do your own party, even if it’s really small, where you can express yourself.  it’s much easier and more democratic to make music now, but there’s more people so more competition.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 06:22:43 AM »

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there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce

Dave, I told you that people are saying this and you said it's not true....I hate to say it but it is becoming true. So what about someone like myself who's tracks don't sound good due to outdated gear and can't afford the gear to make good tracks? yeah, yeah, I know there's free software, but I like to create my own stuff and you just can't create your own samples from software. Sure you can take a royalty free loop disc and edit the samples to sound diffrent, but that's cheating and unoriginal.

I only really want to DJ.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 07:45:35 AM »

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there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce

Dave, I told you that people are saying this and you said it's not true....I hate to say it but it is becoming true.

You did???

So what about someone like myself who's tracks don't sound good due to outdated gear and can't afford the gear to make good tracks?

You use the best that you have and you work, work, work, work and work. Something only sounds as dated as you let it be. Just KNOW ahead of time that the sounds are dated and then try to apply them in a NEW way. That's what graphic design is often times about. In the 80-90's, design heavily borrowed from the 50s, then the 60s, then the 70s...

Come on... outdated gear??? Why is a 303 and a 909 still sought after gear then?

yeah, yeah, I know there's free software, but I like to create my own stuff and you just can't create your own samples from software.


Now you're lying to yourself on this. All I do is create my own samples and loops from software. This is esp true on my tribal stuff. You have a midi keyboard right? All you need is a softsynth.

Sure you can take a royalty free loop disc and edit the samples to sound diffrent, but that's cheating and unoriginal.

It's not cheating, but it certainly isn't as original as it could be unless you REALLY tweak the loops out.

I only really want to DJ.

Then... DJ. Be the best DJ you can be and don't complain when things change.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2007, 02:58:29 PM »

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there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce

I don't know if that's true or not.  Is the opposite also true? I think what's being misread is that people who can do both are obviously talented...and TALENT is what finds success. But is it because they're doing both? I doubt it.
However, I can't say DJing alone is gonna make someone stick out, even if they're really good at it!  smiley23
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2007, 03:25:01 PM »

This is a great topic and glad u started it Chris!

I Love Djing too. I also love DJing with ableton and dont agree that lack of beatmatching = lack of talent or creativity. I really think digital djing opens up new avenues for creativity. But at the same time i dont think its about saying completely abandon the decks and everyone must use ableton. Im hoping to use m-audio torq soon! and mix things up a bit more!

I find it interesting that someone like deeflash got more into the dj side as producer. I have started to get more into the producing as a DJ.

Someone asked me about ableton the other day and thought that i didnt even have to choose the tracks the software was doing it all.

I use ableton cause i want to make and create stuff that can be enjoyed! I never play the same set twice as even things in my set are always changing and evolving.

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2007, 08:23:08 PM »

...but being proficient at beatmatching is something anyone can learn to do.

Unless your me. I've been there. I can't really do it well. I suck at making 2 beats match up. I always have been even in band. That's why I'm glad I have a computer.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2007, 08:32:24 PM »

...but being proficient at beatmatching is something anyone can learn to do.

Unless your me. I've been there. I can't really do it well. I suck at making 2 beats match up. I always have been even in band. That's why I'm glad I have a computer.

Well Dave,  it's just because you suck...I mean,  we all realize it.  Acceptance is the first step to recovery.   ;-)
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2007, 08:42:22 PM »

so... there's still hope?
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2007, 08:48:04 PM »

Oh there's hope!  I'll help you learn for just 12 installments on $19.95
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 02:14:51 AM »

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there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce

Dave, I told you that people are saying this and you said it's not true....I hate to say it but it is becoming true. So what about someone like myself who's tracks don't sound good due to outdated gear and can't afford the gear to make good tracks? yeah, yeah, I know there's free software, but I like to create my own stuff and you just can't create your own samples from software. Sure you can take a royalty free loop disc and edit the samples to sound diffrent, but that's cheating and unoriginal.

I only really want to DJ.

Chris,

I think what it really comes down to is do what you do best and have fun doing it..  everytime I start to get discouraged I remember what Proverbs 18:16 says,

A man's gift makes room for him
         And brings him before great men.
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So when you start to think that you need to do something you might not really feel you're gifted to do in order to succeed, just remember that it's your gift that makes room for you, not being a jack of all trades.  Some of us may be gifted in both aspects, djing and producing, and others may be just djs and others still just producers.  Think of it like, some of us are just ment to play hockey like Wayne Gretsky, others are gifted to be Dione Sanders and play multiple sports...  :-)  Just because Wayne doesn't play 2 sports at once, doesn't make him any worse of an athlete.  And just because Dione plays multiple sports, dones't make him a better athlete!

Poor examples, but you get what I mean, I think.   Grin

Just do what you do best and give your best at it and the gifts that God gave you will shine and make room for you.

-Chris
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2007, 02:44:54 AM »

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there’s no way you can succeed if you don’t produce

Dave, I told you that people are saying this and you said it's not true....I hate to say it but it is becoming true.

You did???
Yep. http://www.tastyfresh.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,97/topic,6587.msg68021#msg68021  Wink

On a side note, I wasn't complaining. I was just reinforcing my thoughts from a few months back. I said:
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Producing. The only real reason I was giving it a go is because everybody says that if you want to make it as a DJ, you need to produce your own tracks. That can't be entirely true

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Who in the WORLD was telling you this lie and were these people even making it? Please don't say me.

So, when Matthew said what he said up there, it was another voice saying that basically, in order to suceed as a DJ you have to produce. It's frustrating because not everybody has the gift to produce. I know I don't. I'm done complaining that my tracks aren't good and they don't go anywhere. I let that go months ago. My gripe is this theory that the best way to get your name out there as a DJ is to write tracks. That's it. Nothing more.
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2007, 06:09:11 AM »

I think theres some value in being a producer in getting yr name out but again iys not the only way and it can never be a fixed rule. I think what david g says is just to say how things have swung round. Whats to stop them swinging the other way again?
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2007, 07:54:36 AM »

It's frustrating because not everybody has the gift to produce. I know I don't. I'm done complaining that my tracks aren't good and they don't go anywhere. I let that go months ago.

Dude... your last release was on par with my first release. It was just about as good as Searching for You. You have talent. It just needs to be developed and that will take TIME. I'm just NOW getting to the level where my stuff will sell and where I feel really confident with what I've done. It's been about 9 years now since I started and behind that I have 6 years as a sax player in school. I can't even beatmatch! People like me NEED Ableton. You've got a leg up that I don't since you are a DJ... and a good one at that.

My gripe is this theory that the best way to get your name out there as a DJ is to write tracks.

Well... tell that to Doug Theodore. He's got a different view on that. It also depends on where you really want to go as a DJ.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 04:05:36 PM »

define "success".  it's a LOOOOOONG road to david guetta success.  you can book tons of gigs locally for yourself,bro.  print up some flyers that are "resumes" and mail them to 500 churches. you'll get gigs...


& this whole outdated equipment excuse is balony.  fatboy slim uses all loops & uses ancient equipment & even pays a guy to program it.
 guys have been signed using that loopmaker thing on PS2...just be creative with what you have.
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