Heh... here's my counter: Tony C can control his mouth. He can't prevent 30,000 kids from dieing. In fact... he has the power, authority and responsibility to control what comes out of his mouth. He has none of those when it comes to those 30,000 kids.

To simply say we are upset about the small things when we shouldn't be is the EXACT opposite of even what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches that we are to take care of the small things we are put in charge of and once we do that, we will be given more responsibility. Controlling our mouths is one of those small things. In fact, the Bible says that what comes out of your mouth is a direct reflection of what is in your heart. It isn't something unconnected and it isn't "just words."

BTW, I'm not casting judgment here. At least not trying to. I've said my peace to JD. I wish they didn't use it. I now can't listen to that CD around my son. But... it's really between him and God. It's not between JD and me.

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 53Then each went to his own home.

John 8

 1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

   But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

 9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

 11"No one, sir," she said.
      "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."






The woman was possibly a prostitute since the accusers did not bring the man involved. These scribes and Pharisees were strong believers in following the letter of the law. One verse to which they could apply their action is Leviticus 20: 10 which states that adulterers were to be put to death. They overlooked Deuteronomy 1: 16, 17 in which Moses advised his judges to judge righteously. Probably, they were less concerned about the woman than in trying to find a cause against Jesus.

Jesus had the men convict themselves and release the woman. They were not prepared to claim sinlessness. They knew that they were wrong and thus lost what they had hoped to gain. By allowing the woman to speak, Jesus prepared her for His response.

Jesus let her know that she was doing wrong. He gave her the opportunity of changing her life. At another time, He said that it is the sick, not the well, who need a physician (Matthew 9: 12). In this situation, He applied that statement. He forgave the woman. Now, it was up to her to respond.

Too often, we are like the scribes and the Pharisees in this story. We are ready to accuse others unjustly of wrongdoing. We fail to see that we, ourselves, are guilty of sins. Judging is necessary in life, but it must be done fairly. Even as we judge, so we shall be judged (Matthew 7: 2). Sometimes, our motives for judging are for improper purposes as in this story.

We must be prepared to help people who are ignorant of many things in life as Jesus did here. We may never know what effect we have had in the lives of those who have done wrong. Salvation for those persons result from our efforts. However, the ultimate decision to change has to be that of the other persons. I hope that the adulteress accepted what Jesus told her and responded positively.

No I didn't Davo. I said if they want to be REGARDED that way. I can't judge their souls, and while I have an issue with swearing in public as an artist, I am in no place to even cast a stone. Face it, a lot of people (and I'm not even talking about Christians here) will assume that if you're swearing it up with the best of 'em that you can't be any different then they are (ie. practicing Christians). Many people regard you according to your actions. So they should I suppose. But I wasn't judging them, only stating their actions could be misinterpreted by Christians and non-Christians alike.

Anyways...I'm sorry for probably stepping in and speaking my mind that way. I was just frustrated and empassioned by my own convictions --- the same way HELD and Davo were. I can appreciate their comments and indeed understand their points. Even say there is some validity to their respective claims.
I apologize if I seemed judgemental. I just think its the lack of control over the 'littlest things' that gives us such problems as Christians down the road.

At this point I would like to remind people that this is EXACTLY why we don't have these debates on a regular basis. The ONLY reason why this one is still going on is that it is relevant to dance music in some round about way.


I don't think I am. Sorry. As far as the reflection of your heart, it's normally the context the swear is used in. Find me an example of a swear word in which it doesn't show that you have room to grow in your walk with God and I'll change my position. I'm guilty of this too. I say crap at least 50 times a day. It's a bad habit like you say, but it is also a reflection in my heart that I still have areas in my life I need to control.

It is from this position that I am looking at this issue.


You mean it shouldn't be judged more harshly than the activities of those who do not treat their bodies like a holy temple? Then what I have been saying is EXACTLY in line with scripture if you want to take it to that level.


Being overweight myself... I have room to grow here as well.


You must have missed where I said "Hey, it's between JD and God not JD and me." I'm not going to come down on someone who is cussing. No more than I did which was simply to say "JD you could have used other words than that. I don't think it was the best move and shows a lack of creativity."

JD disagreed. We moved on. I still bought the CD None of us are JD's keeper. Only JD can do that. Nothing is wrong with me telling him I disagree with something he is doing/has done/wants to do. I can't stop him and I'm not going to try.

I think it's healthy to talk about this stuff. Noone's mad here. It's just a discussion. We're all grownups. 


I don't think I am. Sorry. As far as the reflection of your heart, it's normally the context the swear is used in. Find me an example of a swear word in which it doesn't show that you have room to grow in your walk with God and I'll change my position. I'm guilty of this too. I say crap at least 50 times a day. It's a bad habit like you say, but it is also a reflection in my heart that I still have areas in my life I need to control. [/quote]

let me put it this way: swearing at someone who cuts you off in traffic is different than telling dirty jokes & hitting on the secretaries at your office.  the latter,imo, reflects a much more serious condition of the heart than letting the F-bomb slip.





i know it's scriptural. i'm talking about consistency here.  most pastors will not even broach the subject of smoking,because they realize that there are so many more important issues in life.  example: if you're yelling at your kids & not raising them right, who cares if you're a non-smoker?  if you are raising your kids right & are mature, you already know smoking is bad for you...

-Stryper was CRUCIFIED for smoking & having a drink now and then...yet Amy Grant can get divorced twice and (allegedy) have an affair and get away with it.

-a christian hiphop artist kevin let me listen to lost his major label record deal because he sang about the real struggles in his life with women,drugs,etc.  yet the president of the evangelical association is off doing drugs & having a gay affair for a couple years and NOONE in the organization has the guts to say anything...

**MY ENTIRE POINT: Our priorities are off when it comes to these kind of things. We need to root out the petty jealousies & egos & power trips in our local churches instead of continually picking new whipping boys who are dong things we don't like because their failings are easier to see.



no, nothing is wrong with you telling him as a friend. my point (which seem to have been missed), is people piling on about something that is such a little thing compared to the stuff we as christians ought to be worried about.

besides, the solution is to pray for those guys to make wise decisions and to continue to follow God. (Lord knows, i'm sure they need it..as we all do). 

GO BEARS!