Apparently 5,000-5,000 people a month if you believe the web logs that I have. That's pretty much been the estimate of the size of our scene for YEARS now. I also have more people telling me they will leave the site if I allow those discussions than I do people complaining about how we don't.


Thanks Davo for backing me up on this part

BTW, I think you're 99% right on almost everything else you said

Well... I still want to talk to you Chris Not to yell at you or anything. Just to chat.

dont' be embarrased or ashamed,bro.  we're all just people. we all struggle with stuff. we all make mistakes

I don't know about you, but I'm hoping to have 25,000 people listen to the first TF podcast

just make sure it comes from 25,000 different ip addresses

chris, i struggle with disappointment every day, it helps to know that other's go through similar things so i can sort of relate a bit.  another thing, my mom told me this the other day, that just because things aren't going the way they were planned doesn't mean they are going completely wrong.  i hate being cliche about stuff cuz i don't like christianese answers but God has helped me grow through circumstances where i thought i made the right decision and things went horribly wrong, at least in my eyes, but now i am finding out 5 years later that perhaps there was a purpose to my "wasted" years.   this is just my own experience and it may come out different for you but i hope you hang in there because life is one long character building experience and so far for me its kind of sucked haha.

anyway, as far as the elitist thing goes i can kind of relate but to be fair i thought the elitism was worse when i first joined TF, i've never really felt a part of TF but for some reason i still come to the boards and hang out.    i do my best to help out producers looking for advice and i want to keep that sense of community as much as i can.  TF is a bit of a haven for me at times as well because being out in the "secular" field can be tiresome and draining.   
anyway sorry for the digression there, i hope things work out for you.

joel

haha... it's funny how the core people often don't feel like they fit in.

Yep, i'm still here, have lurked moar in the mean time.

I'm sorry about saying that i'm leaving, but i was quite frustrated how i was being treated in the "In Progress" sub-forum.
Maybe i focus too much on that, but some searching reveals that that isn't the only sub-forum i post in.

Truth is that i'm a hobby producer, i produce for myself and anybody else who wants to hear it.
Yes, i'm often stubborn with advice i don't like, but if it does apply, i will eventually use it.
So Dave, your advice isn't fruitless, it only needs longer to bear fruit when i don't immediatly accept it as aplying to my tracks, so please continue to give good advice to me, i'll eventually take it to heart and make good use of it.

I'm still a bit disappointed about the serious lack of response to new tracks posted in "In Progress", it's so much less feedback than years ago.
It also concerns me too, i don't give enough feedback either, but not everything is relevant to my interest and in some ocassions i can only say "Yeah, it's a track, but totally not my style of liking." and then it's better to shut up than up my post count again.

Prayer is something i need to do more, much more, but then i can begin with my own stuff first, there's just so much to pray for.
About getting involved in projects and stuff: I could, but i live in the Netherlands, don't DJ, only produce as a hobby and am reasonably isolated in the town of Groningen.
There's totally no christian EDM scene in this town, i haven't even found another christian who likes any kind of EDM, let alone trance, it's a bit depressing.

I will give some feedback now on some tracks and i'll see when i'll post my latest version of Dignified.

God bless, Jan.