got to be honest with you...I'm sure the rest of the mix is ok, but I got as far as "where's the drugs and the drink, where's the sex and the love"

Not sure I want to be putting that on when the kids are about...and not sure that it's going to be edifying my spirit that much.

Thanks for putting some work into it.

"Tastyfresh.com is THE website for Christians who love dance music."

Out of love, I am about to rebuke you good sirs.


It is interesting to me that mixes with blatantly non-Christian messages are allowed, while blatantly non-dance music Christian topics are disallowed. 


Dave, basically what you are saying is that people reading this board are free to contribute anything about music but not about faith.

Sheer and utter hypocrisy that neither edifies believers nor witnesses to non-believers serves no purpose, except thorns for the bon-fire.

Decide whether you are going to lock home-dudes mix like the recent end-times prophecy topic, or perhaps re-evaluate your mission statement.

Your site can either be the best Christian dance music site on the web or the lamest secular dance site on the web, your choice.

"For no man doeth anything in secret, and himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou doest these things, manifest thyself to the world." - John 7:4

With a non-judgemental anticipation, I look forward to you-all's reply.

Andy,
Honestly, you missed my point: Not everyone who visits TF is a Christian, nor do they hold to our standards or convictions. In fact, you know that not even every Christain on this site holds to the same standards as far as language and a few other things go.

Now, at first I KNOW that sounds like a cop-out. Stick with me another minute (maybe I'll make it better, maybe not).

I don't know where Funktion is in his life right now. He's made 3 posts. That's it. He's obviously tied to a secular label and from the myspace site, probably isn't a Christian. Funktion could just be here to spam and promote his stuff. No biggie, lots of ppl do that. The question is will locking this thread or deleting it turn him away from coming to know God? It could happen. Granted, if he repeatedly dropped foul language on this site and similar things, I would have a talk with him about it. This is his first time and I'm more willing to let it slide because of it.

What's happening here though is the guy makes 3 posts and the content of some link he put here promotes ideals that I would say 99% of us don't agree with. Because of that, someone says thanks but no thanks and then explains why. Someone else reminds the first responder that we do have non-Christians who read this site. Then, someone else comes on and bashes the reminder because he thinks the content should be removed because the reminder is a hypocrite. Well... now we have an argument among ourselves and our witness is trashed. Great!

What message is that sending to Funktion? Seriously? I'm very concerned about this. I don't want to simply turn him off just because his mix wasn't "conservative" or "Christian" enough and make him feel like he has to conform to our standards in order to be welcomed by Christians. In every case where Jesus met with a "sinner" he met them as they were and treated them with love and respect. I don't want to compromise our values and beliefs regarding decency, but I don't want to protect them above ministry opportunities either.

Just some other practical thoughts:
First, what rule in the posting guidlines has he broken? Based on what we have heard, though we disagree with the message, would the mix be rated higher than PG? I still haven't had a chance to actually listen to the mix yet, so I can't make that call beyond the quote provided.

Second, if we listen to this mix and delete the post based on its content, to be fair we have to do the same to ALL of the other mixes on this site. Who has time for that? Are you willing to take that responsibility on? For the most part, this site is self-policed and it should be that way.

One last thing, like it or not... we're not discussing theology here for a host of reasons. There is no hypocrisy in this. Everytime I've discussed this with Christian leaders outside of this site, they agree with policy here because touchy spiritual discussions need to be handled in persons in small groups by knowledgable people rather than the Internet mob mentality.

The bitterness and infighting that it has caused here EVERYTIME we have allowed them over the past 6 years has not been worth it and has been more damaging than helpful. The purpose of this site is to help Christians connect with other Christians and to develop the skills they need to go where God leads them in this scene. That is why the rules here allow for you to discuss such topics while banning debates about the existence of the Trinity, which Bible translation is better and the correctness of infant baptism. There are THOUSANDS of sites out there that are better equiped for those types of discussions. This one isn't.

You want to know why we don't have more spiritual topics here? It's because none of us post them. We should have several threads going about evangelism in clubs on this site, but we don't. We should have several talking about where we feel God is leading us, but we don't. Where are the discussions about DJ led worship? Come on! I'm VERY encouraged however at how well we pray for one another though.

In the next zine issue, there will be an article by me talking specifically about the need for us to define what it is we are doing here and to do so using scripture to back it up. After this, I EXPECT you specifically to participate in the discussion. OK?

Bro, I would be honored to.  Getting the communication fired up is what I had in mind in saying what I said.  I am extremely interested in spreading the message about Christ to new members of this board. But not responding as the Spirit leads me, and exchanging it for a compromising, half-hearted, fake embrace is not going to attract newcomers to Christ. A stern rebuke brings about the fruit of repentance. 

Funktion, bro, if you are reading this I owe you an apology. I checked your site and came close to emailing you personally.  However, let's get it all out in the open here. I am a Christian man. This is a Christian music board. You should expect me to represent Christ with zeal and vigor. I expect you to represent your beliefs no matter what they may be. I respect you as a fellow brother, Funktion, and you Dave and you Dan.  But iron sharpens iron.  You have to dig deep to plant a seed. One plants and another harvests. I want to make sure an impression is made, a firm stand is respectable to the secular humanist as well as the agnostic.  Love chastens and corrects. 


I think this thread would grow to be very large  .  I love you guys as my brothers. Our Father is Christ, let's act like sons, not some stranger trying to fit in.  Be a light.


Ok, check this - do you censor the debate or the content that causes bros to stumble and crumble?

I need to repent everyday so I am no different that anyone.  The Lord sends the rain to the wicked as well as the righteous.  But lukewarm cats needs to bizounce.

 
How many times did Christ disagree with the Pharisees? Opposition from the world usually means you are making headway.  However, when that opposition comes from your Pastor, speak with your feet and change churches if he is not preaching the Bible.  Excuse yourself quietly and bounce.  Find a Bible-based church. 

Am I going to resign from TF because wack mixsets are allowed?  No.  Should Funktion give up on us because some foo (i.e. me) has a big mouth? Absolutely not.

Be an elephant in a china shop, but a meek and humble one.  NOT a wishy washy wimp that agrees with anything.  Be wise as a serpent but harmless as doves. 

I appreciate this discussion and thank you for reading and caring.  I love this board and newcomers man, I just gotta speak up when my bones get hot like Jeremiah.  Live today like it is your last and snatch those that walk in the dark into the light with both hands. 

Plus, half the reason I brought this up is to learn more. I am student, not a teacher.  But lets use the same textbook here, the Living Word of God as our reference for Spiritual debates.

Bro, this has been in the words for a year now if you've been reading the unity series. It's happened to some extent, but not like I expect it to after the 15th.


But what about the content of it? What about the end results??? You're stating the obvious with the "grow very large" statement In the end, what do you think we would have gained?


Yes and no. Honestly, you have to police yourself. If you have problems with porn, then you shouldn't be going to porn social sites and expect them to censor themselves for you. I'm sure wwww.xxxchurch.com deals with this all the time. If the thread is blatantly causing problems, it will more than likely be censored. As it was, the spiritual and political debates WERE blatantly causing people to stumble in how they treated others around here. For that reason, they were censored.


Agreed. To quote Revelation 2 though:


It's sooo easy to also forsake our first love by defending what we believe is most important in our beliefs.


Only a fool would say that opposition from the world usually means you are making headway. In some cases its true, maybe even most, but the problem is that this argument is always thrown into the mix to justify actions way to quickly. Most often, it's used to defend one Christian's objection to what another Christian is doing rather than the world's objection. That's very close to what you are have done here in this thread.

Overall, I think you missed Dan's point. You do have a responsibility to correct even a pastor if he is clearly in the wrong. The question is HOW do you do that? Should it be done immediately in the sermon? Should it be done later in private at firt? I believe the Biblical model is first in private by yourself, then in private with a fellow believer and finally in public in front of the whole church. Standing up and interrupting the sermon is not the Biblical way of doing it. So... why did you do it here rather than in private with me first?


Got that right Not that I really think your a fool. Yer not.


So... which were you here initially? An elephant or a dove?



An elephant or a dove?


Why was the student trying to teach then? Come on. Nothing is wrong with speaking up and you could have, but it has to be done as a dove rather than an elephant... or a teen who is still a student but acts as though he knows everything and should be teaching.


Funny... we did that and this is where it got us. I'm not discounting it. Your are 100% right. We need to base it all on that same textbook. The problem is that we all come from such a diverse theological backgrounds that we all have different perspectives on the same passages in that text and none of us are truly open to learn the other's perspectives if it is counter to our beliefs. Since we hold the Bible as 100% true and accurate, we all can say we're right. What we miss is that while the Bible can be 100% true and accurate... we can still be wrong in our interpretation of it. This is esp. true when we don't spend enough time in the Bible and trying to understand how it is to be applied.

Andy, I'm not trying to knock you down here, but I want you to understand that we didn't have to approach this issue in this manner at all. It did not have to be a confrontation like this. Thanks for apologizing to Funktion. Anyway, it's time to move on. If you want to talk about this some more with me, feel free to send me a pm.

I admire your passion man. I really do. Just don't forget that the greatest commandment of all is to love the Lord your God with all that you have and the second is to love your neighbor as youself. If we only lived by that, we'd be like Christ.

Wow....I didnt realise that my response would cause a hornets nest.  for that I am genuinely sorry.  For my part, and without all the big words that i got confused reading...

I didnt realise that, as a CHRISTIAN music site goes, there was no real guidlines as to what music can be submitted and what cant.  To me it begs the question...why call it a Christ-centered DJ culture website to start with, if there is no real cencorship about the music.

I for one have enjoyed the mixes for the period of time that I have been here.  Furthermore, I am sure that the rest of the mix is probably a good one.  However, what I heard to start with pretty much goes against the lifestyle that jesus teaches me...and that is why I made the post.

Over and above that, I am sorry that I caused an issue to arise