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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2006, 07:18:00 AM »

Trust me.  I don't lack tact,  but I don't sugarcoat things.  The problem in Christian EDM is everything's been sugarcoated for so long,  the quality of events and music is just not ast the level it should be.  That was the inspiration behind my whole "The Business Of Dance Music" article series in the 'zine.

Save your money until you get about $2500 in the pot.  THen you have enough money to get a good headliner and do the event right.
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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2006, 09:54:00 AM »

Not to pry, but did your event with Shiloh turn a profit?
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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2006, 09:55:54 AM »

Trust me.  I don't lack tact,  but I don't sugarcoat things.  The problem in Christian EDM is everything's been sugarcoated for so long,  the quality of events and music is just not ast the level it should be.  That was the inspiration behind my whole "The Business Of Dance Music" article series in the 'zine.

Save your money until you get about $2500 in the pot.  Then you have enough money to get a good headliner and do the event right.
Oneel: I won't dispute your level of tact, but you are right that you don't sugarcoat things.  Wink

As for costs... I agree money will get out access to items that help shape a professional event.  But the best sound, lighting, and even DJ skills will not make an event successful.  (II Productions has thrown over $4000 into one event, but the results were the same as an IIP event that cost around $2000.)  Getting the people to come to the event is key... and I've found that most people who are coming are already friends of the DJs, or personal contacts the lead organizers made 1-on-1 while promoting.

Some other models I've been thinking of is how Franklin Graham (of Billy Graham ministries) throws an event.  This last year they pulled in 10,000's of people over 3 days for a revival event in Baltimore.  The way they advertised was two fold... first they connected directly with the local churches, and asked each church to promote the event.  Then a week or two before the event they use all forms of media to reinforce (billboards, TV, and radio.)

Now I've tried getting local churches to spread the word to their youth and young adult ministries.  (It's how I found my home church, Horizon Church.)  But for the most part it didn't work.  I've also tried newspapers and flyers (and some success with radio).  But I still see the waterfall idea of finding communities who find an interest in the event and passing on word that way.  Right now I still only see friends of the DJs (and of the DJ's church community.)  Perhaps there is another avenue I'm overlooking.
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« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2006, 10:26:09 AM »

well... with Franklin Graham... you have a HUGE name. So... you don't have to promote as much since the main market is really Church goers.

If yer promoting a club night to just a church audience.... you're not going to get good results. You need to promote directly to the club scene. That means on the local club boards and radio shows.
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2006, 12:44:14 PM »

It is BTU policy that we don't release numbers,  be it our budget,  how much we make or lose,  or how much our headliners cost.  However,  I can tell you that the event WAS a success financially.
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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2006, 12:13:40 AM »

simple lesson there: shell out the dough for a legit headliner.

No way does this necessarily equate to breaking even. It can in fact mean even bigger loss.

a) know your means (what you can do)
b) know your area scene (what can it support)
c) promote effectively (the toughest aspect, but that which determines the maximized results for your scene)

If you're in a small scene area and bring in a headliner, even Moby...you're not going to break even.  You have to determine what size your scene is and then bring in a corresponding headliner. If your local area is only going to provide a top of 150 scene people and you splurge $$$ for a headliner you're going to go bankrupt.

Know your area scene. How big is it? what DJs are in the region. You'll be better off bringing in a mid-tier DJ from the local region who can drive to your event than you will be bringing a higher tier DJ who you have to fly out across the country, put up in a hotel, etc.  It's a great thing to do if your local scene AND promotion work can support it.

That said....Tronster, I just got married, relocated, and now have a baby on the way. So 2006 is a tad too busy for me to do stuff just as it is for you. But I'd like to start doing something come 2007. I'm in Connecticut with my trailer so I might bring home all of my sound and lighting gear this trip up.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2006, 08:06:00 AM »

All that depends on 1) the definition of a headliner and 2) how cheap you can get him/her/them.

Seriously, in a small town... a headliner could be the big dj from 2 towns over. Some headliners, if you are friends with them, will try to cut you a deal too. And... if you can work it out so your event is in between 2 of theirs and on their way... that's a plus too.

Gulf Shores got Shiloh the same weekend BTU did simply because of the connections, timing and geographical location.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2006, 09:15:06 AM »

I've been gone from here for quite sometime but I can tell you from previous experience Transter throws quality events and works his tail off making them happen.  I dont know if the old crew is still around but Im sure they would help out.  You should still be able to get

DJ Kia
Crystal
Steven Jeffery

and The like if you need anymore help Ill come out from MI on my own nickel to make it happen
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