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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2006, 02:11:55 PM »
Thanks, Reds. That last post made more sense to me. I went ahead and contacted NGM as well as that Ebay seller. 
I do still have one question though; you said:

Quote from: redsavior on October 12, 2006, 08:27:38 PM
But... not really. You are still profiting b/c you gained the music and didn't have to pay anyone for it. Hydro is still shorted on their royalties while others benefit from not paying.

However, how are they being shorted if they can't even receive royalties anymore [b/c the CD isn't even being sold anymore]?? I mean, if I bought the CD from someone here on Tasty or on Ebay, Hydro would not receive royalties either. The fact is, there currently is NO possible way to get this music in such a way that gives Hydro royalties.  That being the case... it seems like it would be impossible to "short" them anything. 

Well, I'll let you know what I find out.  I'm gonna go e-mail Andy & Robbie now...
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2006, 08:53:50 PM »
Well, I contacted Andy, NGM, and Robbie [and that ebay guy] so now I"ll just have to wait to hear back from someone. 

But in the meantime I had another question for you, Reds. You said:

Quote from: redsavior on October 12, 2006, 08:27:38 PM
as far as the VNES... yeah... the guy technically violating the copyright is the one hosting the ROMs and allowing us to play them. It kind operates a bit like an illegal radio or TV station Wink NOw, you can still argue that it's wrong for us to play them give this. Wink

At first this made sense to me, but I've been thinking more about it and still don't understand how it's not equally wrong.  I mean, think of it this way, if I steal a hundred cars and decide to give 'em to all my friends on Tastyfresh, and everyone knows I stole those cars... wouldn't you be just as guilty for having knowingly accepted a hot car [even as a gift]? 
Is it not the same with this guy & VNES. Sure, he might have committed the initial crime, but you are just as guilty if you are making use of what he has done wrong.  Just as much as if you accepted a car that you know was stolen. 
Of course, maybe that's what you meant by "you can still argue that it's wrong for us to play them". smiley25 Probably so & I'm just dense.  Oh well, I just would like to have a better understanding of copyright laws. It's so confusing to me.   
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2006, 09:25:16 PM »
Crazy thread, glad you aren't buying from N-Soul though.

Let me know what happens, I would like to help you legally aquire this, it is one of my favorite albums of all time!
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2006, 03:10:10 AM »
I may have missed out on something, but went wrong with N-Soul?
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2006, 05:57:00 AM »
Quote from: Imhotep on October 14, 2006, 03:10:10 AM
I may have missed out on something, but went wrong with N-Soul?

It's a LOOOOOooong story that honestly... you don't want to know. I do and I still wish I didn't to this day.
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2006, 05:58:31 AM »
Quote from: sketchturner on October 13, 2006, 08:53:50 PM
Well, I contacted Andy, NGM, and Robbie [and that ebay guy] so now I"ll just have to wait to hear back from someone. 

But in the meantime I had another question for you, Reds. You said:

Quote from: redsavior on October 12, 2006, 08:27:38 PM
as far as the VNES... yeah... the guy technically violating the copyright is the one hosting the ROMs and allowing us to play them. It kind operates a bit like an illegal radio or TV station Wink NOw, you can still argue that it's wrong for us to play them give this. Wink

At first this made sense to me, but I've been thinking more about it and still don't understand how it's not equally wrong.  I mean, think of it this way, if I steal a hundred cars and decide to give 'em to all my friends on Tastyfresh, and everyone knows I stole those cars... wouldn't you be just as guilty for having knowingly accepted a hot car [even as a gift]? 

That was why I put: NOw, you can still argue that it's wrong for us to play them give this. Wink

I specifically put that b/c you are probably right. I know the goods are stolen and I'm enjoying. So yeah... I'm going to delete that thread now. I screwed up.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2006, 01:09:30 AM »
Well, Andy Hunter is the only one who has responded.  He wrote:

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Hi,

Have you tried ebay?

there are not many copies around, as they dont produce them anymore. In terms of getting the mp3's thats down to you but there is nothing like owning the original!!!

cheers

andy

Sounds like he doesn't have a problem w/ MP3s???
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2006, 05:59:53 AM »
but it's about what you believe is right...
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2006, 08:26:21 AM »
Look. If Andy says he's ok with it... then I'm fine. It's material HE worked on so only HE can give permission. This case is a bit odd b/c N*Soul would normally have that power, but since they are selling cdrs and their contract expired... I'll go with Andy.
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2006, 08:52:06 AM »
He doesn't say he's ok with it. He says it's down to the person who wants to get te music. That can still mean it's illegal. Maybe he suggests that you can do it illegal, but that really you should try to get the original...
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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2006, 09:05:33 AM »
He's doing what a good guy would do "I would perfer you buy the cd, but I know it's impossible to find. I'd understand if you just got the mp3s."

It's basically permission. I know how hard it is to find that cd. I'd want ppl to buy it if possible, but he won't get a dime buying a used one from ebay. Second-hand music sales don't go to artists or labels. It's part of the copyright laws here in the US.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2006, 09:07:14 AM »
Ebay Link <- no aborigination, but... there is a spiritualisation tape.
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2006, 09:24:40 AM »

Hey, I am willing to hook you up with high-quality mp3s of the CD.

If you go through me though I would feel best if you emailed Andy and paypal-ed him like 5 bucks or something.  As an artist I am very much on the fence with all digital issues but if he okayed it then I am willing to get the mp3s and artwork to you if you want.

Let me know, PM me or email me. 

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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2006, 11:35:52 AM »
I just bought Spiritualisation.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2006, 08:51:24 AM »
Quote from: redsavior on October 17, 2006, 09:05:33 AM
He's doing what a good guy would do "I would perfer you buy the cd, but I know it's impossible to find. I'd understand if you just got the mp3s."
that's just your interpretation of his words....
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