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Topic: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle (Read 5977 times)
godlovesmaggots
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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Reply #30 on:
October 25, 2006, 06:38:58 AM »
Read your October blog entries. The entries are concise, poignant, and thought-provoking. Fancy words to say that you say a lot of good stuff that I need to apply more to my lfe. I'll be reading backwards through the rest of it and looking forward to what you have to say in the future. Thanks for pointing me to it.
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Gsynth
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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October 28, 2006, 10:56:32 PM »
hey thanks
feedback like this motivates me to write more... it's about honesty, I think, in my journey, I'll never be perfect, but I learn every day... God is good.
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djeternal
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November 03, 2006, 05:54:16 PM »
There is no christian problem. Its the human problem. Christians aren't the only ones suffering from apathy.
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Barachem
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November 15, 2006, 08:30:05 AM »
Quote from: Gsynth on October 15, 2006, 01:03:32 AM
I thought this was a great article.
Everyone should read 'The Final Quest' by Rick Joyner to heal you of your 'apathy'. <-(this will clarify everything)
No thanks, i'm very cautious of mr. Joyner's teachings.
And for getting rid of apathy i have God to wake me up.
Anyhoo, i seem somewhat apathetic with the christian edm scene because of things i don't approve with and the mentality that one has to sound like the mainstream[i also mean being pushed to format everything like the secular pros would, therefore killing creativity].
On the other hand i did buy the whole Osmotic series, partly to stimulate the scene and i'd welcome more talent bursting forth.
I produce myself and i want to contribute occasionally.
Occasionally because i have a job and a life to live and while my music will impact people, i doubt it's God's plan to make it my ministry.
To the DJs and producers and other people who find a ministry in music, keep on going, God has a plan for you there.
I think one of the reasons for apathy might be spiritual uncleanness and being blind to it, not unlike what Jesus warned Laodicea of, i've read
Effectively Bringing Unity to Our Scene: Part IV – A Tale of Two Laodiceas
and it does adress apathy and it's causes.
I'm pointing to myself too, i sin and make mistakes all over the day, the fool i am.
Luckily Christ Jesus is the answer to sin and mistakes and if i keep confessing and purifying in Him, i will walk more pure.
Ask yourself why you are apathetic if you are.
Most times it involves a lack of faith and self-satisfaction.
Let's get out of the rut and ask God to clean and purify us.
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Dave Richards
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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Reply #34 on:
November 15, 2006, 08:53:55 AM »
Quote from: Barachem on November 15, 2006, 08:30:05 AM
Anyhoo, i seem somewhat apathetic with the christian edm scene because of things i don't approve with and the mentality that one has to sound like the mainstream[i also mean being pushed to format everything like the secular pros would, therefore killing creativity].
I think you missed the point of what is being said by the mainstream push. It has nothing to do with looking like and imitating the mainstream. It has EVERYTHING to do with pushing toward higher standards in audio production and composing. If your music can't stand up to the same scrutiny that secular music gets before it is signed by a label or selected to be played out by DJs, then you have work to do. This doesn't mean that you should sound like producer X.
If everyone sounded the same, then you are right creativity would most definitely be dead. That would be a bad thing. The problem is, if you truly want to be creative you have to train yourself to be a good producer first. Only when you truly understand how a genre works or how to mix down audio properly are you going to be freed up to produce what you really want to produce be it symphonic anime soundtracks or bangin' house music. In fact, if you are doing symphonic works, I would have to say that your production and composition skills have to be far above the average house producers in order to be truly "successful." After all, your competitors include Bach, Mozart, Chopin and a host of others.
If you just want to play around and have fun, then ignore what I just said. If you are going to try to write professional quality music though, you gotta learn how and you have to do it to the current standards. Who would you hire? The person who only uses a computer once a month and has a hard time with just email or the person who knows his computer inside and out and knows exactly how to work efficiently and can render exactly what is in his mind with the tools provided? I know which one I'd want.
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November 15, 2006, 10:19:43 AM »
No probs with trying to get better qualitatively, i mean, that's one of the things to be pushed here, of course.
But hearing secular trance tracks and trying to be at the same level while being original is what i strive for.
I admit that i still have a lot to learn and that i'd like to produce great tracks, but i know i don't have the means to go full throttle.
I do take advice into account, but on my terms and in my time.
My latest track i'm working on is quite nice, albeit deviating from the current trance i like to listen to.
On of the things i was miffed about last time i got criticism is the push to use the general "EDM structure", one which i understand but find boring to use myself, because i have unpublished tracks using it and i want to do different stuff.
Anyway, we should strive to be better, but sometimes it's great to hear some encouragement alongside with harsh criticism instead of relentless criticism from different people, like with my last track.
I'm known to being a source of harsh criticism myself, but i try to make amends after i find out that i was too harsh.
But let us strive forward to contributing to the community as much as is possible and as much as God asks us.
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM »
1) Don't ever let yourself get upset by criticism. It doesn't do any good. You end up getting defensive and don't listen to see what valid points the criticism are.
2) Taking criticism on your terms and time means that you should never ask for it. As soon as you ask for feedback, you need to be prepared to get what you don't want to hear.
3) Accept criticism even if you don't like it. The truth is that if it is important enough for someone to mention to you, it probably has some validity. If you don't know how to solve the problem, ask. If you aren't 100% sure what the problem is... ask. Don't simply say thanks but no thanks, but don't feel like you have to implement the changes either. You do need to understand the problems.
Wow... this thread is now jacked.
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Barachem
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November 15, 2006, 04:10:55 PM »
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
1) Don't ever let yourself get upset by criticism. It doesn't do any good. You end up getting defensive and don't listen to see what valid points the criticism are.
But if you get upset, take your time, one day you'll appreciate the valid points the more.
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
2) Taking criticism on your terms and time means that you should never ask for it. As soon as you ask for feedback, you need to be prepared to get what you don't want to hear.
Nah, i meant taking it on your terms and time as meaning that if you can't accept the criticism right now, just wait.
If you're openminded and the criticism is valid, you will eventually accept it and that is on your terms and time.
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
3) Accept criticism even if you don't like it. The truth is that if it is important enough for someone to mention to you, it probably has some validity.
In these things there are many guidlines and rules, but not everything is absolutely right or wrong.
And again, see point 2.
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
If you don't know how to solve the problem, ask. If you aren't 100% sure what the problem is... ask. Don't simply say thanks but no thanks, but don't feel like you have to implement the changes either. You do need to understand the problems.
I agree.
But on the other hand i can see that not all criticism is right, see one of my posts for that.
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
Wow... this thread is now jacked.
Orly?
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Dave Richards
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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November 15, 2006, 08:21:22 PM »
Quote from: Barachem on November 15, 2006, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
1) Don't ever let yourself get upset by criticism. It doesn't do any good. You end up getting defensive and don't listen to see what valid points the criticism are.
But if you get upset, take your time, one day you'll appreciate the valid points the more.
Nope. Yer only kidding yourself. I went through 8 years of art school... you don't. You only get bitter about it. Once you let that go, you just feel stupid. The value of the lesson is wasted on harboring anger.
Quote from: Barachem on November 15, 2006, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
2) Taking criticism on your terms and time means that you should never ask for it. As soon as you ask for feedback, you need to be prepared to get what you don't want to hear.
Nah, i meant taking it on your terms and time as meaning that if you can't accept the criticism right now, just wait.
If you're openminded and the criticism is valid, you will eventually accept it and that is on your terms and time.
Again... fooling yourself. For one thing, all criticism is valid, but it may not be the right comment or the right thing to do. Criticism is simply an opinion. It's an expression of freedom of speech that is supposed to help someone else improve their efforts. You have to respect it from the start or you never will.
Quote from: Barachem on November 15, 2006, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: redsavior on November 15, 2006, 11:23:25 AM
3) Accept criticism even if you don't like it. The truth is that if it is important enough for someone to mention to you, it probably has some validity.
In these things there are many guidlines and rules, but not everything is absolutely right or wrong.
And again, see point 2.
Welll... I am saying that you are
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Barachem
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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November 16, 2006, 01:51:35 PM »
I disagree with you Reds, but i don't have the time or will to argue ad infinitum.
Let's just agree on not agreeing.
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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November 16, 2006, 02:02:16 PM »
Well... if your theory is correct, a few years down the road from now you'll look back and appreciate my valid points here
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Dj Du Nord
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November 26, 2006, 04:58:28 AM »
404,
I really liked "Deep Inside". I am a "small-guy" in the producing realm too(Omnos).
I have no commercial success but have recorded maybe 4-5 "albums" of self-released material.
I've played churches and clubs. Music is therapy for me and I love to play and sing. I began writing music as a way to express my deep grief and trauma with mental illness. Churches never really understood why I played in minor keys and was an emotional wreck. Goth clubs accepted me and loved me for my "guts" (I believe) and just being who I am. I don't play live often anymore but am planning a single release (hopefully soon) of the song "Fight for Me".
Hang in there bro. I'm not the "Xian" Sisters of Mercy and you may not be the next "Shiloh" but we do make a difference somewhere. We matter to God and we matter to our little "scene".
I'm sorry you're not getting the support you need from us. I'll do my best and I hope others will too.
It's not about worldly success or "churchly" success but Grace and taking risks for God.
God bless you man and keep going. Your real rewards will come from Jesus. Nothing else matters, nothing else lasts.
Love ya,
Craig
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djdualcore
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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November 26, 2006, 11:04:59 PM »
Quote from: Dj Du Nord on November 26, 2006, 04:58:28 AM
Goth clubs accepted me and loved me for my "guts" (I believe) and just being who I am.
...and you were under NO pressure to prove to them you were a good Christian and thus deserved to play.
I just needed to chime in about my pet issue--spiritual/moral litmus tests. I think that alone is reason enough for Christian artists to persue work in The World.
Being who you are is your most important job as an artist and a human. Kudos for persisting! thankfully SOMEBODY supported you in it.
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Re: Apathy and The Spiritual Struggle
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November 27, 2006, 08:12:40 AM »
Quote from: djdualcore on November 26, 2006, 11:04:59 PM
Being who you are is your most important job...
Agreed. It's amazing how hard KNOWING who you REALLY are is though. It's so easy to tie what you do to who you are when that couldn't be further from the truth. For example, I am a web designer by trade, but that in no way reflects anything about who I really am, just want I do.
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November 27, 2006, 02:39:24 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on November 27, 2006, 08:12:40 AM
It's amazing how hard KNOWING who you REALLY are is though.
...long, slow, painful process.
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It's so easy to tie what you do to who you are when that couldn't be further from the truth. For example, I am a web designer by trade, but that in no way reflects anything about who I really am, just want I do.
No wonder you know more about WiKi's than I do!
My wife and I used to attend a church that served a very poor part of Waterloo. A huge portion of the congregation was unemployed, and in many cases, unemployable--or nearly so. The only people who knew what our jobs were were the handful of people who knew us before we came there. Nobody ever asked what your job was in conversation. That comes right after names when middle class men are introduced. It was refreshing to have people size me up based on the way I acted. I usually dress down for church so I don't think my clothes gave much away. When we left I think there were still only about four people who knew Kerri had a PhD.
The other thing was that when people did learn what I did they didn't care. There was a class distinction between people with and without jobs, but nobody was ever impressed by anybody else's job, or, for that matter, looked down on them. It was a very interesting experience and helped me understand the role of my job in my life and distance my SELF from it a little bit.
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