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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2006, 02:08:31 PM »

My article has nothing to do with no other Christian "scene" other than Tastyfresh. WE don't support each other. WE only give kudos to those who are already "big". WE have become apethetic about each others projects.

Got it. 

To the extent that this is true of the TF community I think it is a symptom of a general cultural disfunction surrounding North American (and other) Christians and music. 

To follow up on what Dave said, and maybe tie this together a bit, this same disfuction leads to Christian musicians not knowing what we are trying to do or why.  While one individual may have a vission, the Christian culture he or she tries to express that vission in is so confused that it is hard to project it very far.  Ministry/quality/motive confusion is a big part of the enveloping fog.  ...and then are all the other fears, confusions and misunderstandings that undercut people working together or supporting eachother. 

It's easier to just hold back your enthusiasm, effort, support just like keeping somebody at a distance when a relationship goes bad rather than wading in and getting hurt trying to fix things.

--Neil-- Junior Minister of Simile and Metaphor
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2006, 01:03:32 AM »

I thought this was a great article.

Everyone should read 'The Final Quest' by Rick Joyner to heal you of your 'apathy'.  <-(this will clarify everything)

Also walk down the street and spend one day helping the homeless or someone clearly in need and you will understand WHY we need to do these things.  <-(and why not reach out help someone EVERY day? it will change your life, 10 min a day, c'mon, just do it)

I don't look at 'what is my purpose in music' anymore, just 'what is my purpose in life' including everything, that means Loving God and Loving People. <-(everywhere I go, with or without the music)

Knowing Christ and walking with Christ, lately I have compared Jesus Christ, and Mother Theresa in my mind as possibly the most Christlike person in our generation, if we have a true understanding of who Jesus is (if you read the gospels, over and over) you will see that there is a certain lifestyle that Jesus lived, and if you do that....... all you have to do is 'show up' and things will happen for the Kingdom.  I mean life is a journey of learning and growing and we need to learn and grow with God and be a part of our community and reach out and touch other people no matter which way we do that.  I really don't care if I'm some rock star or a total nobody, it's the 'well done good and faithful servant' that I want to hear on that day when I see Jesus.  everything else is wasting time.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2006, 12:58:48 PM »

^Good point

Wake up every morning and ask yourself. How can a be a blessing to others today?

Luke 9
23 Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.

Let's loose it all for Jesus.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2006, 06:05:19 PM »

It's just not realistic. I realized awhile ago that my creative talents have to make me (and hopefully God) happy first. If people enjoy what I do, in whatever medium, that's great and it will normally give me extra incentive to keep doing it etc. but bottom line, my need to be creative is not beholden to the success that it may or may not bring me.  That is a good deal, so many of you made really great points.  I myself find that their are times I feel that I can play for youth groups.  Then I think that my wife and 2 kids should come first after God.  I really like dance music, I like it better when it has a lifting message.  So for me from the time I started posting on tasty back when the first boards were up it seemed like this was for the most part a small group of friends hanging out online.  I think we have come  a bit father from that.  It's hard not to just get apathic about live.  I really dont have the money to get the set up that I want, then it's a choce of what music to play.  I may have to just wait till my boys get older for me to take this seriously.  For now it's just kinda a hoby/ misnistry.  I dont personaly need to be Shilo.  Somtimes I wander if God wants me to minister with music or just witness while I'm out skating.  If anything  I just want to thank all the people who have put mixes and made music, it has made a differnece in my life.  Mabye we need to think about the lives that we are touching, evern if thier is not a huge sceen.
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2006, 08:36:18 PM »

Tom, I think yer missing the point Wink You don't have to be shiloh. You just need to do what God is leading you to. Doing that isn't being apathetic.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2006, 11:54:59 AM »

It's just not realistic. I realized awhile ago that my creative talents have to make me (and hopefully God)Huh happy first.

Do you think making yourself happy is more important?
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2006, 12:43:38 PM »

I don't think he ment it EXACTLY like that though D.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2006, 01:06:38 PM »

Sorry, it sounded like if music makes me happy, who cares what God thinks. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2006, 01:17:01 PM »

Actually, he was quoting me from my posting earlier in the thread. And what I meant is; making God happy makes me happy. I thought that was kind of obvious but by the quote being taken out of context, I can see why it might not be. And I may not have been clear originally but that's what I meant!

I am at my most creative point when I'm happy. Some people are most creative when they're going through something horrible. I'm not making a value judgment there, that's just the way it is. I've realized after many years that being happy is more important than being successful. Being successful does not necessarily bring happiness. But I can be happy whether I'm successful (and by "successful" I mean in my career/creative endeavors) or not.

My life revolves around God, my family, my friends and my church. That's what makes me happy. I've had many non-successful creative ventures that although they were disappointing, did not take away from the happiness I have in my life/the things that God has given me, i.e. wife and kid etc.

Making music makes me happy. Making music that God can use to further his kingdom really makes me happy. God may choose to use it to touch 1 to 1 million people. It's out of my hands at that point. That was my original point, in response to 404's frustration. I was just saying that my frustration is nowhere near what it used to be because I now view "success" in different terms.

Ok...I'm starting to ramble. I'll stop now.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2006, 02:58:30 PM »

I don't think he ment it EXACTLY like that though D.

No I did not mean it that way.

Monkeypunk quote- Actually, he was quoting me from my posting earlier in the thread. And what I meant is; making God happy makes me happy. 

That is all I was trying to get at.

I dont know their are days I would love to dj for the kids in the youth group, then thier are days I just seem to get selfish and from time to time think that God cant use me.  I have to come to the conculsion that that is a lie from the Devil himself.  It's just a fight for me, my wife is not the most supportive of the dj ministry.  She is worried about the girls and the way they dress and all that.  So I go back and forth, trying to think of a way God can use me.  Just need to keep praying that the right time and ops. come around and stay focused on the Lord.
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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2006, 07:51:06 AM »

Thanks for clearing it up. Internet can be confusing.  Wink
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2006, 04:08:51 PM »

just a few thots real quick

I find some of the music that has the deepest meaning can't possibly be commercial... yet it has the most profound impact on me... there is a place for every kind of music.  to me, it is more important to honestly and truthfully express yourself in a way that would impact others positively, than it is how many records you sold or how much money you made.  because you can make money by working some part time job.  but if you write music that impacts people's lives, it has a far-reaching impact on their lives, possibly for eternity, and maybe even their friends as well.  no amount of money can buy that.

also re industry: I too find that some areas I just don't have the desire to do at all right now despite my original intentions e.g. secular DJ gigs... a lot of clubs/venues/places I like to avoid in fact, at the moment I am not DJing at all really but more interested in producing because I want to impact the world with my own voice and not be in constant danger due to crime/drugs/etc that Djing here in my own city exposes me to.  I think some people need to do that, but I don't feel that is my place right now.  I do want to produce for the international industry tho, and let the other DJs play out my original tracks.  maybe through relationships and my example and my music I can have a greater impact that way anyway, and money I've decided is not an issue, because for now I prefer to live in Canada, and here, I'm best working other jobs to balance the lack of money in our industry here.  (so I won't be forced to work jobs I don't want to, like DJing secular clubs.  it is just as easy to work part time, in fact, easier.)  I no longer limit myself as to where my money might come in and not afraid to find satisfying work outside the music industry that can also impact the world positively in big or little ways.  and I don't know the future but God provides each and every day so I don't worry about where I might be 3 or 5 years from now, I work on what I can today, and lead into directions that I believe are important for me, and that have a future, and that I feel God has his blessing on.  Paul said that our struggles are not worthy to be compared with the glory that will be revealed in us.  so the sacrifices in our journey for what we will attain are worth it.  and true happiness often means more about depending on God than it does a financial payoff because all that is is a number.  money is relative.  who cares as long as your needs are met day by day? Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2006, 04:34:07 PM »

-> I also feel that, every problem has a solution, like every question has an answer(s).  you have to ask questions to get to the root of the problem, the why, the how, so you can find solutions and answers, and this process makes up the journey, of life, learning, and art.  if you seek, you will find.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2006, 06:19:52 AM »

Gsynth, I was impressed and convicted by what you said. As much as I know and say that I should be doing things for their eternal value, I rarely find myself actually living my life that way. Material things--and my ego--tend to have far more control over my daily life than I really like to acknowledge.
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2006, 10:20:38 PM »

God has brought me through a lot in the last year to show me exactly that about myself... like I often have tried to live my life like God is a part of it, not the One who is truly in control of everything.  I am happier dependent on God, than I am struggling for my independence of Him, and the solution to surrendering to Him is simple... spending time with Him... (my blog is here http://www.gsynth.com/photo/blog.html)...  I think that we will all struggle with that until our last day, as Paul said "I die every day", to his own nature, and sometimes it takes a "Job" experience to realize that God truly is all powerful, like my life this last year.  because the glory really is all God's.  and maybe God was really testing me, do I really trust Him?  because many times in the past I have fallen short of that and tried my own paths and failed.  I do want Him to be my Lord, my God, rather than myself being my own 'god' which is the status quo in modern culture.  surrender is a place where not only God can use us, but God holds us very close to His own heartbeat.  and it is a daily choice, to put Him first, and spend time with Him, love Him, obey Him.  it takes total surrender and as we die to ourselves we live with His power in us.  this is the place God wants to hold me, close to His own heartbeat... it is worth it to 'struggle' with God and lose to Him every day if you catch my meaning.  I guarantee 10 min from now I will again struggle for my independence and again fail to God's grace... that is my nature.

I remember when I was young I specifically asked God to imprint his eternal values in my heart and He did that.
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