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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2006, 12:45:15 PM »

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Alexandra Nechita's looks like a fan of beatles with painting titles like "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "The Yellow Submarine". You know that John Lennon was a satanist.

I've never heard that John Lennon was a satanist, but then again I've never followed the Beatles history much.  It doesn't really matter though, if John was indeed a satanist, that does not make every Beatles fan a satanist too. 

That's the kind of thinking that makes you search for demons in your toaster! laugh
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2006, 12:53:50 PM »

If you listen to some Lennon's songs you can figure it out or look at the album cover of SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEART CLUB BAND and you will find picture of Alister Crowly. Do you think Christians can be fans of Motley Crew or Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath?

Yes Dmitri I do.   Shocked

Now before you freak out on me, I'm not personally a fan of any of those bands, and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone because they promote bad things.

However, I also wouldn't say that if someone happens to like a song by one of them that their salvation is forfeit and they are automatically not a Christian, or are a satanist, that's a bit far fetched!

While I personally wouldn't call myself a Beatle's fan, and don't know much about them, I happen to like the song "Yellow Submarine."  Are you saying that because of that I am not a Christian?  I think Jesus would disagree with you!
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2006, 01:19:43 PM »

Let's forget Nechita, The Beatles, and those other bands and try to get back on topic:

Do you spend all your time praising God and praying to Him, or do you ever have quiet times during Worship or Prayer where you listen to what He is trying to tell you? 

Are those times worthless because they have no words, or are they meaningful because you are open to God and He is speaking to your heart?

 
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2006, 04:35:00 PM »

 Lips Sealed I'm so glad Jesus set me free!   amen
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2006, 08:53:40 PM »

      First of all the Beatles were great in their time but it was temperal because it is worldly music.  As for Jonn that dude was an athiest.  The bible-"not me (the word of God) does state that ungodly company corupts good moral. The question now is that by listening to worldly music or opening yourself to worldly music or to say looking upon a person that promotes worldly music....how does it promote good moral if the word of God just said it corupts.  Could it be a sign of no conviction in the heart?  who knows....Only you would know.  I can get very deep but I'll pray on it first.
     All I ask for is more Christian foreal based lyrics in music.  Wink  Christian meaning Christ like you know.  I'm just trying jam out for Jesus with purpose you know, like where is the mandate at?
     People have a choice in music .  I cannot argue with what you want to hear it is your God given choice.  Even God does not interfere of what you hear, but as for me and my house I will honor God and listen to what is Holy.  Holy meaning righteous. 
     By listening to words of praise and worship or of testimony or of relation to Christian life or our savior and to salvation or especially someone getting saved is what turn me on.   amen (meaning i agree)
       
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2006, 10:11:23 PM »

for just songs/albums with a message, check out these:

Andy Hunter's Exodus and Life
Avalon's O2/Avalon Remixed
Nitro Praise Series (like I said before)
Osmotic Series (some have lyrics and some dont)
DJ Superzero's My Faith (single)
People in a Box's Take Me (they have several cds, but the version that DJ Light did is an excellent Trance track.)
DBD vs Brian M's God's Child (Hard Trance with Gospel Vocal snippets)
what Carey mentioned eariler "Noah DeSmit - I See Grace remixes"
Ultrabeat, he has three cds out
dj404's Deep Inside remixes and also mentioned eariler his mixsets off his site.

I agree with both, we need tracks with God inspired lyrics, but also instrumentals are great also.  They help bridge the gap between mainstream and christian, it lets God talk to you in worship and the music is also responsible for creating atmosphere, we need more christian producers to invade mainstream clubs for the last reason.  All tracks I mentioned are great, and up-to-date, hope this helps.
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2006, 07:45:13 AM »

 Smiley Dj Dunamis where do I go to get these?
   Osmotic Series (some have lyrics and some dont)
   DJ Superzero's My Faith (single)
   People in a Box's Take Me (they have several cds, but the version that DJ Light did is an excellent     Trance track.)
   DBD vs Brian M's God's Child (Hard Trance with Gospel Vocal snippets)
   "Noah DeSmit - I See Grace remixes"
   Ultrabeat, he has three cds out
Are there sites where they can be purchased?  I tried with Noah DeSmit and had no luck.
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2006, 01:35:17 PM »

This discussion is about Christian Music, not Secular music.  It was never about the Beatles, and they are just a distraction to get away from the real heart of the topic we are really dicussing. 

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All I ask for is more Christian foreal based lyrics in music.  Wink  Christian meaning Christ like you know.  I'm just trying jam out for Jesus with purpose you know, like where is the mandate at?  By listening to words of praise and worship or of testimony or of relation to Christian life or our savior and to salvation or especially someone getting saved is what turn me on.

I have no problem with that, and much of what I do helps people to do that.  I think we have many of the same ideas and goals, and we share the joy of Christian Music.  I get excited when I hear testimonies and other things too.  Look at my website http://www.dancechapel.com

My entire website is all about Christian Dance Music.  That's where my passion is, my focus is, and that's what I love to listen to, play out, and tell people about. 

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People have a choice in music .  I cannot argue with what you want to hear it is your God given choice.  Even God does not interfere of what you hear, but as for me and my house I will honor God and listen to what is Holy.  Holy meaning righteous.

See we are talking about Christian Music already, but you're telling me you will only listen to Holy Music?

If your preference is always to listen to only vocal stuff that's fine, I don't mind if you know what you like and enjoy it.  What bothers me is I am getting the impression from you that you consider instrumental music, even if it is made by a Christian, Unholy?

Am I understanding that correctly?

In other words you would be saying that DJ Light's people in a box track is holy because it has words, but DJ Light's track "anthem" is Unholy because it is an instrumental?

Also you never responded to my questions:

Do you spend all your time praising God and praying to Him, or do you ever have quiet times during Worship or Prayer where you listen to what He is trying to tell you? 

Are those times worthless because they have no words, or are they meaningful because you are open to God and He is speaking to your heart?
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2006, 01:42:09 PM »

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Are there sites where they can be purchased?  I tried with Noah DeSmit and had no luck.

Did you try http://www.demulcent.com for Noah DeSmit?

You can purchase it there, and some of the other CDs you are after.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2006, 02:18:14 PM »

Like Carey said, check Demulcent Records, they have Noad DeSmit and the Osmotic Series.

DJ Superzero's My Faith (single) - i dont know actually, might have to ask Carey ^ or Responsible T

People in a Box's Take Me (they have several cds, but the version that DJ Light did is
an excellent     Trance track.)
http://www.cnonline.net/~kirton/music.htm

DBD vs Brian M's God's Child (Hard Trance with Gospel Vocal snippets)
http://www.beatport.com, search for "Brian M"

Ultrabeat, he has three cds out, couldnt find a US retailer, with all three but heres his site.
http://www.ultrabeat.com/

also forgot about Apt Core, is more electronica than dance, but its scripture and stuff read over electronic music.
http://www.musichristian.com/artistprofiles.php?author=Apt%20Core&category=ART
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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2006, 02:42:01 PM »

 Smiley Sorry I could not answer your question quickly I do run a business and sometimes between 3  services of church a week and prayer just about every morning and maintaining a family and work could take up a lot of time!  whew...
  interesting questions and I will answer them accordingly...

Question #1 Do you spend all your time praising God and praying to Him, or do you ever have quiet times during Worship or Prayer where you listen to what He is trying to tell you?
      My day starts by getting up of course but in prayer.  I pray in tongues and use words.  I pray for people that i care and my enemies so that God would show them the way.  My prayers are for the lost because I know Jesus is coming back. My prayers are for my family and for God to keep me because the enemy is always there to cause strife. In the quite times...there is the word of God---the bible.  The bible tells me what I need to do for it is the word of God.  The Holy Ghost convicts me if I am in wrong doing.  I Fast when life gets rough after all it is a battle.  I wonder when people have quite times with God does he ever tell anyone to fast or pray more or love him more or tithe or give offerings or to be patient......hmmm.  Just asking! 

Question #2 Are those times worthless because they have no words, or are they meaningful because you are open to God and He is speaking to your heart?   
      There are no such thing as a worhtless time with God!  but if God speaks to your heart why can it be not written into music?  Psalms are music written.  If there were no words...How then could there be a Psalm?  I have found out that sometimes many people (In General) say there Chrisitian but are not really also goes for some of the music I hear.  Does all of it really sound Christian?  Doesn't the bible say that the fruits of the spirit manifest?  Does anyone know the fruits of the Spirit (hint:  Galatians) 
       But the key word in the question is "speaking"---how do you interpret speaking through music flow or by words. Does God speak a mystical language through music flow or by his word?  which one makes sense to you.  My interpretation would be is that by "speaking" there is understanding.  In that understanding there has to be a description of words.  Words that would speak to us.  Afterall, God spoke everything into exhistence (i think i spelled that word right). 
        :smiley25:Show me in the bible where there is a song written in instrumental...please because maybe I am missing something.


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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2006, 02:44:29 PM »

Question #3
See we are talking about Christian Music already, but you're telling me you will only listen to Holy Music?

I will answer this soon I am tired get back later........
                                                                        God bless Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2006, 06:26:24 PM »


Question #2 Are those times worthless because they have no words, or are they meaningful because you are open to God and He is speaking to your heart?  

      There are no such thing as a worhtless time with God!  but if God speaks to your heart why can it be not written into music?  Psalms are music written.  If there were no words...How then could there be a Psalm?  I have found out that sometimes many people (In General) say there Chrisitian but are not really also goes for some of the music I hear.  Does all of it really sound Christian?  Doesn't the bible say that the fruits of the spirit manifest?  Does anyone know the fruits of the Spirit (hint:  Galatians) 
       But the key word in the question is "speaking"---how do you interpret speaking through music flow or by words. Does God speak a mystical language through music flow or by his word?  which one makes sense to you.  My interpretation would be is that by "speaking" there is understanding.  In that understanding there has to be a description of words.  Words that would speak to us.  Afterall, God spoke everything into exhistence (i think i spelled that word right). 
        :smiley25:Show me in the bible where there is a song written in instrumental...please because maybe I am missing something.


first I know the fruits of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and faithfulness.

ok...second theres no such thing as "christian Music," its a label we use for better lack of.  Music is Music from the G chord to the penatonic scale and so on.  But theres music with christian lyrics or words.  Now you're getting close by saying "sound christian" but its more less when you're looking for dance music you need to use some discernment and God's guidance.  Cause some music promotes sensual or evil atmospheres and its unwholesome for the christian listener but this is a small percentage of the regular dance music out there. If anything start with just christian producers and work from there, cause both dance music markets are benefical.

But with that small tibit aside this sets the stage in that music also can create a prayerful or uplifting atmospheres from ambient to trance. Yes, it would be great for more dance music with lyrics or Psalms cause some I've heard lately, the music (NOT the lyrics) sound out-dated.  But I love both music with or without lyrics, they both have their place and function and one shouldnt be without the other.  Cause I feel that you are limiting times that God could speak to you by using just one type.

My interpretation would be is that by "speaking" there is understanding.  In that understanding there has to be a description of words.  Words that would speak to us.  Afterall, God spoke everything into exhistence (i think i spelled that word right). 
Show me in the bible where there is a song written in instrumental...please because maybe I am missing something.

thats right, YOUR interpretation, but I dont think David or anyone else said that or wanted music to just be accompanied with words, I think there were plenty of times where there was just music.  Im pretty sure theres not a verse that just says "There shall not be"

So conclusion, Yes God speaks through His Word, but thats not the only avenue, so dont limit yourself to one and Godspeed to your music search, just let the Holy Spirit guide you.  Could try what Andy Hunter does, he prays before he goes record shopping and lets God speak through him about the music and in return speaks to others.

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2006, 09:39:48 PM »

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     Ephisians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
    
     It is very interesting that in this verse it mentions singing and making melody.  The verse starts off by speaking and then ending with making melody...In this verse there is a combination of words and music.   I honestly believe according to scripture and the word of God we (Christians) are suppose to use words and music not only music alone.  I do not go by what I belive or what is just or lean on my understanding.  Make it simple and go by the word of God.

     Col 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2006, 10:27:29 PM »

It is very interesting that in this verse it mentions singing and making melody.  The verse starts off by speaking and then ending with making melody...In this verse there is a combination of words and music.   I honestly believe according to scripture and the word of God we (Christians) are suppose to use words and music not only music alone.  I do not go by what I belive or what is just or lean on my understanding.  Make it simple and go by the word of God.

I never said just use music, I said:

But I love both music with or without lyrics, they both have their place and function and one shouldnt be without the other.

but you're right, we need to use both, like I said, they both have their function and its good you mentioned the Ephesians verse, they're probably several in Psalms too, just cant remember right now.

but more back to topic, the links on this thread so far will get you off to a great start.
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