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gerry
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For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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December 23, 2005, 04:31:39 PM »
Redsavior pretty much showed the critics on here how to give a proper review. However this thread is for the producers of the tracks. Here you'll learn what to do if you get that occasional "idiot" that bashes your track unconstructively. How to handle your emotions concerning other negative constructive criticism, and how to get the most out of positive, encouraging reviews.
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You probably thought that by this being a Christian forum you were gonna get royal treatment no matter how bad or good your music sounded? Well you guessed wrong. Yeah there's a lot of not-so-honest guys on here that tell you what you wanna hear thinking they're going to encourage you to do better (when all they're really doing is giving you an ego boost, not a boost in your music), but the honest are everywhere... they are few.. but they are everywhere, even right here.
The most important rule when you receive ANY kind of reviews (affirming or negative), is to keep your response to them short and smart. Instead of blabbing about how great your track already is, and trying to prove the reviewer wrong, think of ways to make that review work for you in a different light. Obviously, you can't please everyone. My method isn't going to work on all critics, but I guarantee you that 90% of the time it will, and both the artist and the critic will come out winners. In the following examples, you will see the common wrong approach that will have someone wind up getting hurt, starting a fight, or all sorts of needless drama on the board. Afterwards, the smart way of going about ANY review you get. Read on!
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WRONG APPROACH...
(arrogant, insecure, unwise)
critic: I didn't like the annoying bells in your track. I think it would be better off without them
you: the bells are perfect and make up the track, without them the track wouldn't be what it is. It's a harmonious character in the track blablabla
*heh prepare to get flamed*
BETTER APPROACH
(humble, smart, wise)
critic: I didn't like the annoying bells in your track. I think it would be better off without them
you: What did you find so annoying about the bells in my track?
*now watch you're gonna get an amazing review*
critic: well the track's bells has a sharp sting around 2khz that distorts the track, not only does it play a bunch of out of tune notes, but the rhythm which it is playing them in goes in contrast with everything the track stands for. I really love the other stuff in the track, but honestly, I think you should rerecord it with it's muted. Other than that it's great
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I like to call my new humble approach... fishing for reviews. With my question I throw out a net, and then the critic answers, and I caught the fish. By fishing for reviews, I can get the most dishonest person to be honest about my track, and actually get constructive feedback that works. Fishing for reviews also works on one of those moron critics that have no social skills.
ciritc: this track sucks a crock of garbage
you: what it is about this track that sucks a crock of garbage?
critic: the bassline is so ugly sounding blabla
usually these kinds of critics aren't very good at explaning things, but by you showing the heart to ask instead of bashing him, you'll get constructive feedback from OTHERS reading.
Don't be afraid to try the advice you get. Yeah, you heard me. TRY IT ALL!! (even if it sounds stupid) It doesn't mean you'll end up using it in your track, but the fact that you were humble enough to go in to your studio and actually toy with the track doing exactly what the critic said, and hearing the outcome, is just priceless. You might actually end up liking their idea for your track and use it, although you were hostile to it in the beginning. If you think "bah I'm too good for these guys.." and you give the critics a finger at their advice and do nothing. Well how's that going to make you any better? Seriously! Think about it!.. you're being arrogant, proud, and eventually are going to get your emotions shattered somehow.. A lot of critics on any board, will go after an arrogant guy and wont' leave him alone. So don't be that arrogant guy that challenges everything the reviewer says.
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gerry
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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December 23, 2005, 05:31:42 PM »
Some final thoughts:
Don't discriminate.
In my years of producing, I've found that the advice coming from not-so-hot producers can be some of the best advice. Although, they may not know all the technical terminology, their review is just as valid as anyone elses. So use the "fishing for reviews" technique on EVERYBODY that dares to post a review. Even if it's a cheerleading pop-tart that can't find the middle C on a keyboard and signed up to post reviews here.
I know most of you aren't like that, but I have some friends that will get a review by a new producer and then reject it telling that producer, "man you're a n00b you don't know jack about this music."
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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December 23, 2005, 10:23:35 PM »
good advice....
this year I have improved on criticism, giving and receiving.
Receiving: the fact that I think I got something good going, think its good and then met with pretty constructive criticism and made to take a look at what I think of good music and take a look at my songs structure and act on it.
Giving: has really made me learn and evolve on what I know about dance music, if any I benefitted more, but the person that received did too. I've gotten better at what to look for, even in my own music.
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Gerwin Koudijs
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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December 27, 2005, 04:45:09 AM »
Nice article, quite funny to read the different scenarios.
I guess the producers personality takes a big role in this, but I'm not sure. I'm not a 'shrink'
I wouldn't be suprised if there are books available on this topic (in abstract) about forum posting.
For me, my biggest problem is taking time and patience to actually review others.
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gerry
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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December 27, 2005, 02:16:41 PM »
i've posted all the scenarios through experience.
I know i've been all of them, the unconstructive idiot, the dishonest comforter, the arrogant producer, the humble producer, the constructive critic, ect. So now i know what's the best thing to do now and how to cause less drama and more music on the boards.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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April 13, 2006, 09:21:21 PM »
thanks for sharing that gangsta' =)
it got me thinking, i'm going to use your approaches, thank you!
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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April 14, 2006, 09:46:36 AM »
Gerry,
While I can appreciate tha air of honesty you are trying to encourage. I don't like the approach that is generally being used.. I think you are focusing too much on the song and not the artist. You can go to a secular forum and get critisism. What sets us apart is that we are Christians and that we love one another.
In otherwords, you can follow your instructions perfectly on how to critisize and at the same time discourage the young producer from every making music again.
I think the better way would be to take your advice of sticking to helpful truthfulness and disregard your advice of not saying those little encouraging remarks that lack song critisism.
Every now and then I think people just need someone to say, yeah I like that don't quit! or You're awesome! or little things like that.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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April 14, 2006, 09:51:37 AM »
hey man... that's fine. The problem comes in when that is ALL they hear or that they hear it so often that they disregard the other comments.
Then again... some people do just need to quit and find something else to do. Not everyone is talented in the same way. No matter how cool I think skateboarding is... I'll never be a tony hawk.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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April 14, 2006, 10:44:32 AM »
I just want people to be honest, thats all. But Im not fond of people when the style I write, I put a song up, and usually I say what style it is, they are like "i hate it, it sucks or just not my style...and begin to flame it." If its not your style dont comment on it, thats all. But with our criticizm, we do need to add words of encouragement.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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May 08, 2006, 08:20:15 PM »
just want to chip in here...
@ all producers: make the music you love and dont let people tell you its no good because its old sounding or to much this not enough that. if we follow the trend everyone is like everyone else. make what you love, make what you like and put your best effort into it. everyone starts somewhere, and by making what you love you will learn to make what you love better.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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May 09, 2006, 02:18:29 PM »
I'm "the n00b who doesn't know jack about this music"!
I think the key word here is "constructive", but even then, if someone wants to believe their music is beyond reproach, you can be constructive and they don't see it that way. It's the American Idol syndrome.
I tolerate criticism but I luvvvvv constructive criticism. I find it very useful but some people can't hack it. I think it helps going to art school. After a few critiques in front of a bunch of artists, you get thick skinned pretty quickly.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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August 11, 2006, 08:26:52 AM »
To be honest I am fueled by comments, criticism and reviews. I try and take something from every experience, positive or negative. I am not saying I have a super tough skin so dish it out.
I want to be excellent in what I do, I believe God commands us to be world changers, and if I am not cutting it, I want to know, more than that: I want to know why, and be aloud the opportunity to correct it. We might have various styles, and our personal tastes might influence our thoughts, but a great track is a great track regardless of its style. Excellence can be found in the production, sound quality and relevance to that style. I don't like to candy coat my constructive criticism, but I try to offer direction and specific tips that might enhance the overall quality of that track. I would expect the same. To be honest I really value the comments of the listener not so much the producer. I want to hear from the kids that live and breathe it, if they like it, and then I know I have created something relevant to their world...
I am also my own critic...I often lay my tracks into a mix set if the transition between my track and what is considered industry level standard is smooth and seamless, if the Drums are in the same vein, if the synths are equal sonically and content wise, you know you are on the right path. We have all heard the mix set that the dj drops his own track in, and it becomes the sore thumb track. A great track is not one that just rocks by it's self, but can play well with others.
Just my thoughts....
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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August 02, 2007, 12:14:08 AM »
Moar cow bell?
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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September 03, 2007, 12:08:10 AM »
Here's my two bits, I think the whole reason why "Producers" are putting there music out there in the first place is because they want to be recognised for thier time and told good job or nice work! Almost like children would consult approval from their parents it seems like we want to be recognised for our work no matter how funky or flunky our track is. Do it for youself and if others dig your song let them enjoy what you've created. The point is people are going to make music no matter how good or crappy they are! If they love doing it, there going to do it no matter how much a person thinks their wasting there time. If someone has dreams to be a big time producer but is horrible at creating beats be honest with them, but don't beat them down, let them figure it out on there own. Tell them what you did like about the track or what they could work on. Build each other up. Never be prideful in you own talents, just be thankful God gave you the gifts that you were given. Oh and by the way I agree with gerry.
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Re: For Producers: How to handle the reviews you receive
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September 03, 2007, 02:27:08 PM »
You don't have to agree with Gerry...he's AWOL.
Anyways..yer right. Oh..and welcome aboard Astro!
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