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Dave Richards
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 08:50:37 AM »

Dima, if the problem stems from:

He had a lot a lot of bad experiences with Christians and the church, pretty much wherever he went.

The WotM good person test won't help matters. He already KNEW he was a bad person. He just discovered that many of those in the churches he attended weren't any better.

The solution is in convincing him that he needs to be the "Good Christian" and thus the example to all the "Bad Christians," that the actions of other Christians should not prevent him from loving and worshipping God, that Jesus loves him... and would still die for just him on a cross, that his faith isn't a waste just because others are wasting theirs.

WotM is an ice breaker. It's a conversation opener. It's to get the person you are talking with to open their minds to the spiritual. Beyond that... it's up to God and you as to what happens. This guy is beyond the ice breaker.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2008, 09:01:44 PM »

This guy is beyond the ice breaker.

He has a bachelors degree in philosophy, and psychology, and he has a masters degree in communications. He was also raised in a Christian home.

There aren't a lot of people that he'll lend his ears to.
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2008, 07:54:57 AM »

I bet he thinks he is a good person  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2008, 08:45:00 AM »

dmitri,
ugh... nevermind.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2008, 09:51:26 AM »

Quote from: John 10:27-30
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Take some comfort in those verses Stephen. If he was a Christian before, he still is and he will return. Nothing can pull him out of God's hand, although... as we all know, being a Christian doesn't mean our lives are perfect or even free from doubt.
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2008, 03:08:03 PM »

Sounds tuff.  Will pray that God will soften his heart.  Also that God  surrond your friend with God fearing christians to speak the truth to him in Love.  Hang in their. 
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