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« Reply #135 on: July 07, 2008, 12:42:24 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Risher on July 05, 2008, 05:25:57 AM
Well it's like being asked to spin in a gay club. What do you do? You can either go spin a gospel house set and see what happens, or risk spinning songs about "love" in an attempt to deliver a message about salvation and have it mistranslated as a song about homosexual love.

Unless you have the balls to stand up for what you believe in an appropriate way when people come talk to you after the set.

Jesus went to a wedding and turned water into wine. The choice wine, I might add. I'm sure that people got drunk off that wine. Does that make Jesus a sin-condoner? Or does it make him a person who says: "Look at what miracles God can perform?"

So how do we "turn water into wine" at a gay club or pride parade without A) directly condoning sin, and without B) hating on the homosexuals themselves?

I'd even argue that it's pointless to hate on their sin too. Because of "gay pride", taking the angle of pointing out their sin isn't really going to get you anything but a closed door. Rather, the "all have sinned and fallen short" angle is way more appropriate, because you aren't singling out their "gay sin" over your own "straight sin". Besides, the gospel is more about salvation and grace than sin. Sin is the catalyst, but salvation is the reaction and the springboard into true life.

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Quote from: godlovesmaggots on July 05, 2008, 10:16:15 AM
Davo,

If I'm part of "everyone" doing their "evil gay" rants that you're addressing your post to, please let me know. I imagine it's probably safe to assume so, but I'd rather know for sure. Also, if I am one of those you're addressing, could you do me a favor please, and I mean this in all sincerity, not sarcastically.

Not you.  Smiley

Quote from: Alex Wilson on July 07, 2008, 11:59:41 AM
Jesus made wine...
He didnt make them drink it.

True,BUT do you think Jesus knew what they were going to do with that wine? He sure did.
     Remember the guy saying, "whoa! you saved the best wine for last! usually we get the watered down crap by this time of the party" (heheh..obviously the davo paraphrased version).

I think it's extremely important we analyze that first miracle (and the entire Bible) in context, and not just put our spin on it to fit our worldview.
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« Reply #136 on: July 07, 2008, 12:45:00 PM »
Quote from: Alex Wilson on July 07, 2008, 11:59:41 AM
Jesus made wine...
He didnt make them drink it.

I suppose my argument is this. He knew they would get drunk on it when he made it. Same principle behind God making hemp knowing people would smoke weed, or God making sex knowing people would make pornography out of it. I like metaphors.

Especially colorful ones!
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« Reply #137 on: July 07, 2008, 01:02:43 PM »
Quote from: Davo on July 07, 2008, 12:42:24 PM
I think it's extremely important we analyze ... the entire Bible... in context, and not just put our spin on it to fit our worldview.

Amen! I'm trying to write a piece on this right now. Maybe I'll flip it to you when I'm nearing completion.
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« Reply #138 on: July 07, 2008, 01:50:20 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Risher on July 04, 2008, 09:25:38 AM

You don't see "Alcoholic Pride" or "Abuser Pride" or "Drug Addict Pride" or "Liar Pride" or "Bigot Pride" or "Embezzler Pride" or "False Doctrine Pride" or "Capitalist Pride".

Capitalist pride?  You can't be serious... 
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« Reply #139 on: July 07, 2008, 01:53:34 PM »
Quote from: Davo on July 07, 2008, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on July 05, 2008, 10:16:15 AM
Davo,

If I'm part of "everyone" doing their "evil gay" rants that you're addressing your post to, please let me know. I imagine it's probably safe to assume so, but I'd rather know for sure. Also, if I am one of those you're addressing, could you do me a favor please, and I mean this in all sincerity, not sarcastically.

Not you.  Smiley

Cool. Good to know. That was so not what I was trying to say.
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« Reply #140 on: July 07, 2008, 02:00:46 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Risher on July 07, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: Alex Wilson on July 07, 2008, 11:59:41 AM
Jesus made wine...
He didnt make them drink it.

I suppose my argument is this. He knew they would get drunk on it when he made it.

Yeah, but he did so reluctantly too.

Quote from: John 2:4
"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
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« Reply #141 on: July 07, 2008, 02:26:15 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on July 07, 2008, 02:00:46 PM
Quote from: Matthew Risher on July 07, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: Alex Wilson on July 07, 2008, 11:59:41 AM
Jesus made wine...
He didnt make them drink it.

I suppose my argument is this. He knew they would get drunk on it when he made it.

Yeah, but he did so reluctantly too.

Quote from: John 2:4
"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."

i always had the impression that was towards revealing who he was more so than having to make wine.
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« Reply #142 on: July 07, 2008, 02:29:41 PM »
Probably was, but he was still reluctant to do it and we keep using this passage for so many arguments that it maybe shouldn't be used for. The lesson probably isn't so much in the miracle, but the revelation of who Jesus was, honoring your parents even when you don't agree with them, and so on.
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« Reply #143 on: July 07, 2008, 02:33:26 PM »
Hey! Let's keeps this dance-music related, guys! We don't need you Afterhours people coming back from Cornerstone and messing it up for the rest of us!

Where's the guy that runs this site?? I want to register a complaint! ..... Oh, wait.....





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« Reply #144 on: July 08, 2008, 10:04:26 AM »
Sorry guys, couldn't resist:
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« Reply #145 on: July 08, 2008, 10:56:29 AM »
lol, thanks Carey.  a little Hoff is what we needed to clear things up.
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« Reply #146 on: July 08, 2008, 11:01:59 AM »
I know 2 dj's who are both Christian and struggle with homosexuality.

One was at the point his marriage almost dissolved. He went through the Healing Streams ministry and has totally recovered & understands the roots of his bent towards this. An absent father.

The other dj is still struggling with this today. I still talk to him as a bro in Christ. His bent is due to a distant and overly controlling father. He dreams of one day changing and even marrying. He still has not won this and more pain and hard work are going tho bring him to victory.
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« Reply #147 on: July 08, 2008, 02:16:53 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on July 07, 2008, 02:29:41 PM
Probably was, but he was still reluctant to do it and we keep using this passage for so many arguments that it maybe shouldn't be used for. The lesson probably isn't so much in the miracle, but the revelation of who Jesus was, honoring your parents even when you don't agree with them, and so on.

Yeah, like trying to say Jesus was reluctant to create the wine when the scripture doesn't say that, Dave.
   Where do you get he was reluctant from if you just agreed with Noah that Jesus was talking about him revealing himself as the Son of God.  That scripture you quoted has nothing to do with him being reluctant.
  If Jesus didn't want to make the wine, he wouldn't have done it.
...and i suppose I'LL be the one accused of debating spiritual things....
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« Reply #148 on: July 08, 2008, 02:22:26 PM »
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« Reply #149 on: July 09, 2008, 05:26:15 AM »
I am coming into this convo very late and will readily admit I didn't read every page but I did read about half.

For me (and my lame attempt to keep this on topic) it comes down to being a light.  Light works best where there is darkness.  I have the light of Jesus in me and I want to share that.  Sometimes I share it with others who have the same light and together we are a stronger light.  But sometimes I share it with those who have no light.

The key is knowing where your line is...how dark is too dark to where you might be overcame.

Could I DJ a gay pride parade?  Honestly I dunno.  Could I go to a rave and hang out and just love on people?  Yes, I have.  Could I be friends with someone who is gay?  Yes. 

Just because I could do something doesn't mean it is right for everyone and just because you could do something I couldn't doesn't mean it is wrong.

JTx doesn't like beatports ads for gay pride....and it doesn't bother another person.

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