Alex,

I haven't said that I don't think Justin and Colin are strong Christians. Nor have I said that they aren't called to minister to the club scene. However, does that mean that I have to agree with everything they do or that they're incapable of making a mistake in their desire to minister?

The only thing I've said "against" them is that I believe it was unwise--ok, I did go to the point of actually saying I believed it was wrong--of them to be participants in a gay pride parade. That's the beginning and end of my disagreement with anything I've heard about them. (Side note: In talking with the youth pastor about DJ-led worship and Christians in the club culture in general, I related to him the story that Dave R told of the impact they'd had on a club owner or label guy--can't remember off-hand--simply through the way they carried themselves around the guy.)

I haven't even questioned their intentions in participating in the parade. They very well had the purest of intentions. However, it is possible to make unwise or wrong choices while still having good intentions. Heck, I (regretably) manage to do that on a regular basis in my marriage.

Unless your comments were directed at someone other than me, I don't see how my disagreement with them on this one issue is in any way espousing isolationism.

By your reasoning, Alex, I'm not allowed to disagree with any of the pastors of my church if I feel that any or all of them have made a decision that I feel is wrong. They're human, and therefore are capable of making mistakes. The brothers Moreh are human as well. (And, yeah, before someone points out that I didn't mention it, I am too.)

I can believe that they are effective ministers of the Gospel, called by God, while not having to believe that they are infallible.

So what about the church that I belong to? Or other Christians who know me? Doesn't it damage my witness to them if I am promoting things that, as a Christian, I believe are wrong? I'm studying to be a deacon in my church, and I'm told that I must be "above reproach". Granted, they're not saying that I need to be perfectly sinless, spiritually perfect, but if I participate in a gay pride event as a headlining act, that's not a good way to pursue the holiness to which I'm called. And how am I to erase the images I would see at such a parade?

Do try and keep the tone of this debate respectful guys, or the boom will be lowered.

Rodimus and I hung out over the 4th of July weekend.

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annoyance and concern are there

No, because we are a bunch of big babies who want to sound important and spiritual. We all need to learn to grow up let stupid stuff go.