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« on: May 28, 2008, 08:41:43 AM »
Hey all my fellow DJ's,
As you know I am just starting out DJing and right now I just have a desktop PC I am using with DJ software. (anyone have a laptop they are willing to part with VERY cheap/donation?)
Well I would like to know what sound card that I should get(cheap) that would allow me to us headphones to monitor (cue) tracks? Right now I am using the sound card that came with my PC and it only has one output( I have that plugged into my mixer), one mic input, and one line in input.
Thanks ahead of time for your inputs and thoughts !!!   Lips Sealed

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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 09:23:14 AM »
m-audio fasttrack pro.

Or... check out the DJtechtools.com reviews.

You shouldn't have to spend more than $200 on this, but don't spend less than $150.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2008, 12:21:15 PM »
im gonna agree with dave. i wish i would have saved abit longer and dropped the extra 50-100 bucks on an m audio or something.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 08:54:32 AM »
Quote from: T4CM on May 28, 2008, 08:41:43 AM
Hey all my fellow DJ's,
As you know I am just starting out DJing and right now I just have a desktop PC I am using with DJ software. (anyone have a laptop they are willing to part with VERY cheap/donation?)
Well I would like to know what sound card that I should get(cheap) that would allow me to us headphones to monitor (cue) tracks? Right now I am using the sound card that came with my PC and it only has one output( I have that plugged into my mixer), one mic input, and one line in input.
Thanks ahead of time for your inputs and thoughts !!!   Lips Sealed

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Brandon
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Technical Details
Model: 70SB049000000  Creative Labs
Type: External (stand-alone)
Interface: USB 1.1

Playback resolution:
Digital-to-Analog conversion in 16- or 24-bits with sampling rates of up to 48 kHz in 5.1 mode and up to 96 kHz in stereo mode (due to data-transfer limitations of USB 1.1 connections, it may not be possible to play back, record or simultaneously record and play back content at the highest bit rate and/or frequency supported)
Recording resolution: Analog-to-Digital conversion in 16- or 24-bits with sampling rates up to 96 kHz (due to data-transfer limitations of USB 1.1 connections, it may not be possible to play back, record or simultaneously record and play back content at the highest bit rate and/or frequency supported)

Headphone output:
Yes (.125-inch)
Audio tone controls: Enhance the bass in your music (2.1 and 4.1 speakers only); multiband equalizer lets you further tailor your listening
Dynamics control: SVM automatically matches volume levels across music tracks
Restoration: Clean Up removes tape hiss, clicks, etc.
Surround sound: Simulated (CMSS 3D lets you enjoy virtual surround sound on stereo speakers/headphones; EAX effects add acoustic effects like Concert Hall to your music)
Digital-audio input: No
Audio inputs: 1 minijack microphone input (front panel), 1 stereo analog (left/right) minijack .125-inch input

Audio outputs:   Lips Sealed
3 stereo analog (left/right) minijack .125-inch outputs (capable of offering decoded 5.1-channel sound from compatible sources), 2 digital-audio (1 optical, 1 coaxial), 1 multi-pin DIN output for use with Creative I-Trigue/Inspire speakers
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 09:05:17 AM »
Yeah, should work.

Another option, if you want to spend even less, is to get another "regular" sound card, and create a virtual device using ASIO4ALL. You can create virtual sound cards with multiple outputs by "joining" multiple sound cards.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 09:22:14 AM »
Quote from: thepudd on June 02, 2008, 09:05:17 AM
Yeah, should work.

Another option, if you want to spend even less, is to get another "regular" sound card, and create a virtual device using ASIO4ALL. You can create virtual sound cards with multiple outputs by "joining" multiple sound cards.

Thanks for answering my question. Right now have desktop and was thinking about getting usb becuase i will be getting a laptop later on when I can afford it. I know Creative is a good company and alot of people liked it. I am using Tractor software. I just want to be able to cue up using head phones. Any other usb sound card suggetions?  Thanks bro.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 09:31:59 AM »
No no no... stay away from creative labs. 2 reasons:

1) they offer consumer cards. They are made not for professional audio production, but rather for audio listening. It will sound good, but the drivers provided will not give you TRUE multi-channel outputs. It will give you the same signal split up to be played on a 5.1 or 7.1 stereo. You NEED to have 2 stereo channel outputs where you can play one track on one set of stereo outputs and a different track on the other without hearing it on the first. This is vital to DJing. If you were only producing... I might let this card slide.
2) Creative lab's inputs are very noisy. You also probably won't be able to run their "noise reduction" software from your DJ program. It's just there to compensate for crappie inputs.

I'm not a fan of ASIO4ALL. Just not. Yes, it might work, but it won't truly make up for having a card that really does what you want. Don't sell yourself short on this. I did for years with a Creative labs Live Platinum and you are looking at just that.

Did you even look at the djtechtools.com recommendations? You are already looking at spending $100 on that creative labs when there are a couple of cards like the maya44usb which will do a MUCH better job than the Creative for the same price.

Read that article and then go shopping.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 09:38:21 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on June 02, 2008, 09:31:59 AM
No no no... stay away from creative labs. 2 reasons:

1) they offer consumer cards. They are made not for professional audio production, but rather for audio listening. It will sound good, but the drivers provided will not give you TRUE multi-channel outputs. It will give you the same signal split up to be played on a 5.1 or 7.1 stereo. You NEED to have 2 stereo channel outputs where you can play one track on one set of stereo outputs and a different track on the other without hearing it on the first. This is vital to DJing. If you were only producing... I might let this card slide.
2) Creative lab's inputs are very noisy. You also probably won't be able to run their "noise reduction" software from your DJ program. It's just there to compensate for crappie inputs.

I'm not a fan of ASIO4ALL. Just not. Yes, it might work, but it won't truly make up for having a card that really does what you want. Don't sell yourself short on this. I did for years with a Creative labs Live Platinum and you are looking at just that.

Did you even look at the djtechtools.com recommendations? You are already looking at spending $100 on that creative labs when there are a couple of cards like the maya44usb which will do a MUCH better job than the Creative for the same price.

Read that article and then go shopping.

THANKS !!! (The cost of that creative lab was $35.00) I will read the link about sound cards. Thanks again for all your help !!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2008, 09:38:49 AM »
Oh... I forgot the MAJOR issue. Creative cards do not respond fast enough. They have very high latency. For live tweaking of midi, which is what you will do as a dj, you will have a very hard time for getting things to happen exactly when you want them to. Usually, you want things to happen right when you press the button, not a half second later. You won't get a fast reaction time with Creative under any circumstance.
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2008, 09:43:58 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on June 02, 2008, 09:38:49 AM
Oh... I forgot the MAJOR issue. Creative cards do not respond fast enough. They have very high latency. For live tweaking of midi, which is what you will do as a dj, you will have a very hard time for getting things to happen exactly when you want them to. Usually, you want things to happen right when you press the button, not a half second later. You won't get a fast reaction time with Creative under any circumstance.
GREAT INFO. I thank you for your time and effort in helping me out. If you have any more infor you can throw my way, please do..
Blessings,
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2008, 10:01:55 AM »
just remember that you get what you pay for. you pay 35 bucks, you get 35 bucks. drop 150 bucks, you get 150 bucks. check ebay, you can sometimes get really good deals on people selling their gear when they upgraded and such. which means great bang for the buck. just be wise and dont rush things
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2008, 10:18:08 AM »
Quote from: Alex Wilson on June 02, 2008, 10:01:55 AM
just remember that you get what you pay for. you pay 35 bucks, you get 35 bucks. drop 150 bucks, you get 150 bucks. check ebay, you can sometimes get really good deals on people selling their gear when they upgraded and such. which means great bang for the buck. just be wise and dont rush things
True.. Take a look at this device http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/531119029.asp
 I know this may not work, but this is the last thing that I was looking at before I posted my question and you guys helped me out. Just a curiousity thing. Thanks again for your help and honesty !!!
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2008, 11:51:41 AM »
All Dave's comments are valid, but my point was made from a perspective of extreme budget. You've pointed out the cash situation is low. If you want to get started with the bare minimums, and build up some skill before you shell out for real equipment, I don't think you'll go so wrong with Creative and ASIO4ALL.

That said, the music/mixes you produce will never sound that good, so you will need to upgrade. It's a toss up, like buying a cheap guitar. You could get the guitar that cost 100$, so you can get start learning right away... but it will always sound crappy, no matter how good to get.

Toss up. Can you afford 60$ now, to get started now? Are you happy to trade starting now, for waiting longer and then spending what you've saved on better gear? Only you can answer that, and I don't think there's a right answer.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 12:12:00 PM »
its true that getting quality gear is more expensive. but i have purchased crap gear before and regretted it. if you know that djing isnt something short term, put in the extra cash. do what it takes to get the gear you need.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 12:13:30 PM »
I seriously doubt you'll be able to cue on the creative and I'm 90% sure that the latency will be so bad that it's not even usable. AND, I never saw anything in ASIO4ALL that would allow you to cue a channel with those drivers that wasn't set up for it in the first place.

On the turtlebeach... talk to their tech support ppl. Explain that you need the headphone jack for CUEING something different than what is being played over the stereo out. If they say you can get it to work... great.
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