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Dave Richards
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I know. I'm just getting anal now
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Getting?
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I know. I'm just getting anal now
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Getting?
Oh ok... fine. I was born this way. It's a defect. You just have to accept it.
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Aww. . . It's OK, Dave. C'mere
We've all learned to accept you the way you are (though we may still be praying that God will change you!).
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I think God truly wants me to be anal. I, like Paul, have prayed to have this thorn removed from my side... Oh wait... no I didn't. I actually ASKED to become anal
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Quote from: Bill Sikes on May 11, 2008, 01:00:19 PM
Chris,
I hate to break this to you man, but if you are attempting to make a living as a full time EDM dj, there is a 99.9% chance you are completely wasting your time. The plain fact of the matter is that most of the "name" guys you think are out there doing that as their sole source of income, aren't. As a matter of fact, I don't know if I've ever met a guy living much above the poverty level who worked solely as a club dj. The guys who are out there touring fight and scrap for bookings, using connections they make by promoting their own events, or through making their own music, or owning a label, or printing flyers, or hosting a successful radio show, and most of the time more than one of the aforementioned. The reality of the situation is that club deejaying is not a wise career path in any sense unless you just don't care about financial prosperity. If you incorporate one of the other industry related ventures and perform both at a high level you will likely see more doors open up, but even then it will be tough with long odds against measurable success. I recommend pursuing it as a hobby or part time thing, letting the "full time" dream go, and just give it your best shot in your spare time. If you strike gold, find a niche, or discover an angle to success, then you can jump on board 100% at that time. Otherwise, you are likely just in for plenty of disappointment and frustration.
Hi Bill, long time no see
It is possible to make DJ'ing your sole source of income, but that is not without it's difficulties. I know plenty of DJ's who make it there sole source of income but they are ether DJ'ing 7 nights a week for at least 2 to 3 hours a night OR they are not just DJ'ing in clubs but also at weddings and other events. There's nothng wrong in trying to pursue a goal but be aware very few DJ's make it big. Personally I prefer the style, music taste and attitue of the ones that don't 'make it'
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^ x2 good to see you're still kickin, bill!
let's step back and think about the question a second, shall we?
How do you go from being an opener to a headliner?
well, how do you go from being an unpaid intern to working at the company to becoming the management?
1. tons of hard work.
there's no way around it. all the vision casting in the world isn't going to get you a gig... sacrifice and hard work will. you absolutely have to get off the ground and get out there.
2. build a resume
IE-take any gig, anywhere, for any amount of money. offer to open for free if your name is on the flyer. if you tell enough promoters that,
3. do what works
IE- if the net radio show isn't paying off in a certain time frame, DUMP IT. If you're not a good producer, either get a writing partner, get better equipment, or forget it. it's not going to lead you to bigger things. if it's a hobby, fine, but don't delude yourself that it's building to something bigger.
(*just an FYI: most of the big DJs i've seen over the decades have been DJs first, and then learned to produce. i know it's different now,but it can be done)
4. take your resume around
once you have your name on some flyers, use that to get other gigs!
Joel has a FANTASTIC example of how to work this: let's say you're the opening DJ in Toronto (since i know this side of his strange country
). you can't get a headlining gig in Toronto. What do you do? go south to Sarnia, London, Even Detroit, and get a headlining gig at a small club. Even open in those areas to build a buzz.
5. build upon what's working
so you're an opener 50 different times? open for bigger & better gigs. example: would you rather headline to 50 people or be third bill for paul van dyk?
6. see step #1
you don't have to listen to me,but i've been a dj for almost 20 years now, and i've seen what works and what doesn't.
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Thanks Davo. Some good advice there.
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Davo, you left out networking.
You got the spam part right, but you flat out forgot the networking aspect. Also, you could do the net radio thing regardless. All you need to do is switch to podcasting and use that to distribute your live sets whenever you have one.
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Quote from: Bill Sikes on May 13, 2008, 09:01:11 AM
You also need to consider the correct frame of reference though. These guys you are talking about are extremely talented, and central florida was on fire for club music back then. Drum&bass wasn't huge, but everybody down there was in to hearing good djs in good venues. That era in that location provided a setting that launched a lot of careers. Im not convinced that "thing" is happening anymore. Oh, and AK1200 was a big-time remixer even in the 90's.
That's really the answer right there. There was a time when someone could make a name for themselves based soley on thier spinning abilities. Kimball Collins, Chris Fortier, Andy Hughes, Baby Anne and even AK1200 all built thier reputations on their mixing skills in the early 90's. And I don't know when AK1200 was spinning in malls but I used to see the guy spinning on the back patio at the Edge back in 93 or so, so even he came up during that time period. Thats all changed now. You cannot build a reputation based on spinning alone anymore. The scene doesn't support it these days. You HAVE to produce to build a reputation beyond anything local.
In fact, if you look at some of the Central Florida artists that got big from just spinning back in the early 90's, even they didn't hit it REALLY big until they started to produce and release records. Icey had a residency at the edge, but once he started releasing records, (and particularly once he release "Tricks") he blew up. Likewise for Fortier and his Fade releases. And to go further I would say that only the successfull producers have gone on to have continued exposure in the scene over the years. Case in point, if you ook at Kimball Collins he began producing and releasing music right around the same time, but his reputation really began to lose some steam around that time which is exactly the opposite of what anyone in Central Florida would have thought to be the case if you would have asked them who was gonna end up being a champion of the scene in the next few years at that time.
Why did that happen? Because Icey had a new sound that stuck and launched that whole Florida breaks scene, while Fortier was just better at the trance sound than Collins was and has solidified his name much moreso than Kimball because of it.
So you can try and build a rep as a headliner, but it will never go beyond some little local area thing unless you are producing music that gets picked up by DJ's around the world. You do that, you break things open period. Of course thats easier said than done as I can relate to the not having the money comment.
I've been longing to really get into production for the last 4-5 years. I was constantly working in Reason for about a year and half to two years, but had to lay it down for a while to finish school and have never been able to really pick it back up like I need to if I want to do it successfully, because I can't afford a controller or sound sets or anything for that matter. I finally got a legal copy of Reason last year (as well as Recycle) but I feel like I'm extremely limited in what I can accomplish without a controller which I don't have the cash for right now, and haven't had since I started 5 years ago. I haven't totally given up hope of being able to get the equipment I need to be able to pursue that passion like I want to, but I'm getting close to giving up. Hell, I'm almost 35 years old. How much longer to I have to really be able to do it? (Sorry that last paragraph is off topic but I'm just venting my frustrations about it I guess)
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Quote from: Davo on June 16, 2008, 05:29:41 PM
3. do what works
...If you're not a good producer, either get a writing partner, get better equipment, or forget it....(*just an FYI: most of the big DJs i've seen over the decades have been DJs first, and then learned to produce. i know it's different now,but it can be done)
Quote from: mmontes on June 17, 2008, 10:00:57 AM
...Thats all changed now. You cannot build a reputation based on spinning alone anymore. The scene doesn't support it these days. You HAVE to produce to build a reputation beyond anything local.
In fact, if you look at some of the Central Florida artists that got big from just spinning back in the early 90's, even they didn't hit it REALLY big until they started to produce and release records....
I guess here's my point: It's obvious that you have to produce now to make it. And while all those big names DJ'd first and produced second, they started a the time where it possible to be a DJ first and producer second.
Now, it's the opposite and there's not point arguing it any other way.
The days of the rock star DJ are over. The days of the producer as a band however are in. You can be hired as a headliner easily if you have a string of hits... even if you can't DJ. Look at BT a few years ago when he started as a DJ. Everyone says he sucked. People still went to see him b/c he was BT. It was his music that got him that headlining slot as a DJ and not his ability to mix.
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