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« on: May 05, 2008, 05:53:53 PM »

I feel I am being called to put together a commercial Christian dance music album and wondered if anyone here would like to be part of it.

What I would like to produce is an album of covers of classic hyms and conteporary worship songs all done in a commercial trance/ euphoric / hands up and similar styles.

I only have one song so far which is an unfinished (very unfinished, lol) version of amazing grace but have put a link to give you an idea of what i was thinking towards.

http://www.christianmessage.net/gsr/amazinggrace.mp3

Please let me know if tou think the album is a good idea and if you would like to be a part of it.

God Bless,

Oh and I better be polite and introduce myself as this is my first ever post.

My name is Sam, I am 29 and live in Sheffield, England. I have been a christian for just over 2 years and it is the best choice I have ever made.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 06:05:54 PM »

nice sound...good start
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 07:17:03 PM »

I have a bunch of tracks if you would be interested, they are not necessarily "Christian Dance" but I'm a Godly guy and he greatly influences my music which sounds like normal trance and dance music 
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 07:28:32 PM »

Honestly... this was done to death in the 90's between the Nitro Praise series, the Hymns in the House series and even the mYx'd Trip to a Gospel House series.

I would not pursue this idea unless you can find a REALLY good new angle on it and one in particular that raises the bar far above where the best of these series were in the 90's.

The sample you've given I feel falls far short of that.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 07:30:05 PM »

your going to need a new approach. cant say it any other way...
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 07:40:00 PM »

I disagree. Maybe a different approach but this can be reinvented. I support him.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2008, 07:45:53 PM »

Pat, would you honestly spin that track out at a club tonight?

Do you really feel we need to be rehashing hymns again?

Seriously.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 07:49:57 PM »

hymns were written in a certain style, that style cannot be copied into dance music. they have to be fused. use the old stuff as a start, not as a finish.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2008, 08:05:11 PM »

I personally think some of the strong uplifting synths feel godly already. I feel close to God when i listen to them. They move my soul
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2008, 12:25:36 AM »

Pat, would you honestly spin that track out at a club tonight?
Seriously.

I certainly would not. I have to be honest. this is simply terrible. its horridly cheesy, and even below the quality of the nitro praise junk that was released in the 90's.

the other guys are right. you need an entirely new approach. what you have here will simply not work.

hymns are great, dont get me wrong, but nearly every single producer that has attempted this has failed miserably. unless you are already one of the greatest and most creative producers of all time, i would say scrap the project for now.

what you need to do is get back in the studio, start practicing your production skills, and fine tune them with years of practice. when you become supremely amazing and creative, then maybe this can be revisited.

i really hate being harsh on you, but honestly it has to be said.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2008, 04:59:36 AM »

Musically I have to say that this will be a big flop.  I could maybe see an album with one hymm on it, if you really had to do it, but as a center piece no.  When you look at Watts and some of these early writers there music was actually banned from churches for a time and considered extremely on the fringe then. I think you have to get to that place again with an album idea and push the limits.  Christians are constantly going back to old ideas and not being creative in alot of what they do.  I think you have to be a little more forward thinking with the sound and try something that isn't predictable, and might have a chance at making it. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2008, 05:36:45 AM »

Thanks for the honest feedback. Mixed views so far but I think mainly the verdict is to scrap the idea.

I think using my version of amazing grace as an example was not a good representation of what I want to acheave. My production skills leave a lot to be desired. Yes it is cheesy but that bit I got right, I am aiming for that UK commercial sound. Here in the UK and in Europe also commercial dance/hands up/cheese is massive. I know its cheesy and not proper dance music but I think it is the best way to outreach to the secular world. Creating deep progressive stuff or dirty drum n bass is great but it is hard to fit Christian lyrics into these styles and when they are there they are a second thought which dont seem to fit.

I do have a brilliant female vocalist lined up for this too and when I say she is brilliant I really mean it.

here a few secular tracks which better show what I am aiming for. A warning that serious minded producers will definately see it more as pop/cheese than dance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHh1IqcuTGc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5035J8iaVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmgcxltzhSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOC9QcHnsBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfKZhOMyVcc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBmiu68ECU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAXWNm0bWM0

As far a hymns go I would only thought a couple of tracks on the album could be hymns. The ones that fit into this style without too much effort and that are well known. I could scrap the entire idea of hymn covers after listening to how bad they can sound.

I would like most or all of the tracks to be dance covers of some of the amazingly written conteporary Christian rock/pop that is around at the moment. Stuff by casting crowns, chris tomlin, hillsong, sonicflood, mercy me, ect... These tracks have amazing Christian lyrics, much better than the lyrics in commercial dance tracks. If I could produce an album of as good a quality as the albums that are selling huge numbers in the secular world but fusing in the deep and meaningful Christian lyrics, melodies then it could be a powerful outreach.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2008, 07:16:25 AM »

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Creating deep progressive stuff or dirty drum n bass is great but it is hard to fit Christian lyrics into these styles and when they are there they are a second thought which dont seem to fit.

Really??? Seriously, you need to listen to more music created by Christians. I'll admit, Christians don't add lyrics as much as you might like, but when they do, it's often times "magical."

Topher Jones for example did one called Benediction not too long ago.

The bigger question I'd ask you is why does there have to be lyrics?

BTW, are you focused on reworking other ppl's music because you doubt you could write the lyrics?

Don't be afraid to be original.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 09:19:14 AM »

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Creating deep progressive stuff or dirty drum n bass is great but it is hard to fit Christian lyrics into these styles and when they are there they are a second thought which dont seem to fit.

Really??? Seriously, you need to listen to more music created by Christians. I'll admit, Christians don't add lyrics as much as you might like, but when they do, it's often times "magical."

Topher Jones for example did one called Benediction not too long ago.

The bigger question I'd ask you is why does there have to be lyrics?

BTW, are you focused on reworking other ppl's music because you doubt you could write the lyrics?

Don't be afraid to be original.

What!?!? Deep progressive stuff is the best for making lyrics for! Especial Christian lyrics. Also in today's music world your lyrics don't have to be worship related, like i feel your trying to do. You can add a message that is christian message that the secular world will eat up. You can have a positive uplifting message. Also most songs in the dance industry don't even have words. You need to not have a song based on the lyrics or words. That's how you make incredible work. Have an amazing song that when the words come in it takes it over the top. And i know i speak for all of us when saying that every genre can be anything it wants. I have heard great vocals in drum and bass, and great dark bass lines. A great producer can do anything. You should be aiming for putting work of christian producers on a Cd more than an all christian lyric dance songs that all moms and dads would recognize.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2008, 09:21:25 AM »

I agree that this idea has already been done to death a million times over.

I wouldn't say it can't be done though.

Some hymns and Worship songs can be done dance style, for instance Noah DeSmit's I See Grace or Ex-Cito's God of Wonders and Risen One are good tracks that are Worship songs.

That Frank Nuckless Hillsong Mashup is fun.

It's just that so many people have done this, and so many are still doing it with really poor production, people are already turned off to the idea.

You would have to really "wow" them to make someone listen, and to make a project like this work.

I would say put the idea on hold for now, and work harder at becoming a better producer.

Also, consider what Dave said:

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Creating deep progressive stuff or dirty drum n bass is great but it is hard to fit Christian lyrics into these styles and when they are there they are a second thought which dont seem to fit.

Really??? Seriously, you need to listen to more music created by Christians. I'll admit, Christians don't add lyrics as much as you might like, but when they do, it's often times "magical."

Topher Jones for example did one called Benediction not too long ago.

The bigger question I'd ask you is why does there have to be lyrics?

BTW, are you focused on reworking other ppl's music because you doubt you could write the lyrics?

Don't be afraid to be original.
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