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Jon DeLaughter
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« on: April 22, 2008, 12:17:36 PM »

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Is it just me or are we hearing about these more often? What are some of your thoughts on this topic?


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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 12:23:55 PM »

Well are God is a creative God. I'm not against the idea there could be other life forms out there.  laugh
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 12:30:49 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 12:41:55 PM »

Evolution & Chaos Theory: Statistically speaking... we shouldn't exist.
Creation: Sure, it's possible. The problem is that if we fell and we were made in God's image, what chance does the alien have at not sinning? That would require either interstellar space travel for us to share the Gospel with them OR... Jesus to die again for their sins... or at least to show up and tell them what he has already done, but they'd probably kill him for saying that just like us.

Bottom line:
We're it. Period. Logically, it doesn't follow that there's other life out there.

So... the questions are:
What were those lights? Are we sure it wasn't faked? Does it even matter?
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 12:49:41 PM »

Well are God is a creative God. I'm not against the idea there could be other life forms out there.  laugh

Im with you on that!


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Evolution & Chaos Theory: Statistically speaking... we shouldn't exist.
Creation: Sure, it's possible. The problem is that if we fell and we were made in God's image, what chance does the alien have at not sinning? That would require either interstellar space travel for us to share the Gospel with them OR... Jesus to die again for their sins... or at least to show up and tell them what he has already done, but they'd probably kill him for saying that just like us.

Bottom line:
We're it. Period. Logically, it doesn't follow that there's other life out there.

So... the questions are:
What were those lights? Are we sure it wasn't faked? Does it even matter?

I cant agree with you totaly. What is to say that God stopped/started with us? He is almighty and all powerful. Jesus wouldnt have anything to do with other beings from beyond this planet. He was sent for us! For our sins.

Whats to say that Aliens (if there are any) even sin? Do animals sin?? No.  Satan was sent to this Earth. He is the reason for our sins... thus cant apply to things beyond. (again... thats in theory)

What if they have a whole different purpose and function the the Galaxy... We will only know when we meet our (and possibly their) creator. I put nothing past God. I can not limit his works in theory simply because i cant see it as possible. Thats having a closed mind. I'm not saying that I believe that they do exist... but I will say that I'm open to the possibility that they do.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 01:07:16 PM »

Jesus wouldnt have anything to do with other beings from beyond this planet. He was sent for us! For our sins.

But... that's the folly. His sacrifice HERE was to be the FINAL sacrifice. It wasn't for "our" sins, it was for ALL sin. So, if he did the same thing ANYWHERE else, then our faith is a lie.

Whats to say that Aliens (if there are any) even sin? Do animals sin?? No.  Satan was sent to this Earth. He is the reason for our sins... thus cant apply to things beyond. (again... thats in theory)

Free will and human nature is the reason for our sin. We didn't need a snake or Satan. Satan was given free will and he too found a way to sin w/o someone tempting him.

Don't give Satan more credit than he deserves.

Aliens, if given free will could/would fall just like us and just like the 1/3 of the angles who followed Satan and are now demons.

What if they have a whole different purpose and function the the Galaxy... We will only know when we meet our (and possibly their) creator. I put nothing past God. I can not limit his works in theory simply because i cant see it as possible. Thats having a closed mind. I'm not saying that I believe that they do exist... but I will say that I'm open to the possibility that they do.

Here's the problem, in having your open mind, you are putting God in a smaller box that doesn't even hold his true nature. You are in effect making your own god rather than understanding God's true nature.

The fact that every type of intelligent being (humans and angels) created by God chooses to disobey God at some point shows me that it's basically us and the angels, otherwise God starts having to go against his own nature and word.

I seriously want a bumper sticker that says something to the effect of "An open mind is incapable of comprehending the Truth."
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 01:11:32 PM »

I was going to post a comment but i have decided to stay out of this and just keep with my original comment.  smiley1
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 01:16:25 PM »

OH... don't get me WRONG... I'm not saying God couldn't create other life or isn't creative. He's proven that he could. No doubt. There may even be alien "dogs" but not thinking, rational, intelligent, free willing creatures like us.

I'm also not saying we were the FIRST intelligent creatures who have lived on this planet either Wink A LOT could have happened between verses 1 & 2 of Genesis 1 and that would explain the 6 day creation AND the million year old dino bones Wink

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 01:27:03 PM »

My thinking is God has been around forever and it really is hard to comprehend that  laugh but where do we fit in the time line of that forever? We have no idea what he has done during that time or where we are in the time line of forever..There are no facts that can prove of any lifeforms outside this planet(unless the government is hiding it in a bunker somewhere *Area 51*  laugh) But God is amazing and I'm not against the idea..
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2008, 01:49:05 PM »

My thinking is God has been around forever and it really is hard to comprehend that  laugh but where do we fit in the time line of that forever? We have no idea what he has done during that time or where we are in the time line of forever..There are no facts that can prove of any lifeforms outside this planet(unless the government is hiding it in a bunker somewhere *Area 51*  laugh) But God is amazing and I'm not against the idea..
Word!

And i feel ya Dave... but i have to stick with the thought that an Open mind is NOT making God smaller. He gets bigger to me every day.

I'm simply saying that just because its not in the bible doesn't mean its not out there.
Now if the Bible said "there is nothing beyond this planet. you are it!" i would have to say... well... theres nothing out there. BUT its does not say that.

My thought is this. It didn't matter then and it really doesn't matter now. But some things had to be left out... were the only society in History with the knowledge that we have now about the Galaxy and its vastness and so forth. Is anything in the bible about that... no. People in the time before us could not have comprehended that. Imaging going back 2 thousand years and trying to tell someone about all of that... they would think you lost it!

I'm just saying that ANYTHING is possible with GOD and to not think that limits you in mind and in spirit.

We cant even begin to wrap out mind around him.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2008, 01:57:19 PM »

OH... don't get me WRONG... I'm not saying God couldn't create other life or isn't creative. He's proven that he could. No doubt. There may even be alien "dogs" but not thinking, rational, intelligent, free willing creatures like us.

I'm also not saying we were the FIRST intelligent creatures who have lived on this planet either Wink A LOT could have happened between verses 1 & 2 of Genesis 1 and that would explain the 6 day creation AND the million year old dino bones Wink



i agree with both of these statements. however i think to say that intelligent life can't exist out there somewhere is also not a reasonable statement either.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2008, 01:58:16 PM »

The problem with what you are saying though is that the Bible is very clear about God's nature and that's one of the main things it exists to teach us about. You can say God is beyond our imagination and that is 100% correct. However, you cannot suggest that God would do something that is against his nature. Both have to be consistent.

In this case, are avoiding the main facts I am providing:

1) Jesus only has to die once.
2) Every type of intelligent beings created by God have chosen things other than him and therefore have sinned.

So... unless you have a way to combat this argument, your open mind is supporting things against God's nature.


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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2008, 02:05:05 PM »

If there were intelligent life elsewhere, why couldn't Jesus have died for them too?

If his death was sufficient for all time here, why could it not be sufficient for all worlds out there?
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2008, 02:06:07 PM »

Another thing is are minds cant even begin to comprehend all of God's power. We can argue about this all we want but it wont get any where...When we die and go to heaven only then we will know the past the present and the future.  Cool  
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2008, 02:11:27 PM »

If there were intelligent life elsewhere, why couldn't Jesus have died for them too?

If his death was sufficient for all time here, why could it not be sufficient for all worlds out there?

B/c we don't have the capability to spread the Gospel to other worlds and probably never will. I kinda hinted at that earlier. It would be a very inefficient way for God to spread his word to those who need it.  Jesus would have to appear on another planet and do it all again simply to spread the Gospel and I'm sure the aliens would kill him too.

Another thing is are minds cant even begin to comprehend all of God's power.

Again... power vs nature are different things. God could create a rock he couldn't lift, but it's not in his nature to do so. The God we serve is a LOGICAL one. It would be very illogical to have Jesus save this world, but leave another without a means to hear about how they too can be saved.
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