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« on: April 06, 2008, 12:50:31 AM »

I dunno if this thread should be moved or what, and I'm not a noob, however I would like to know you guys views on releasing track lists from your mix sets.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 10:38:24 AM »

i think its totally fine. nearly all of the big dj's have setlists released, so aparently they think its fine too.

also.... i tend to NOT download mixsets if there is no tracklist posted. i hate wasting my time downloading something if i have NO idea what i am getting into. i don't want to listen to something if it doesn't at least have a little bit of stuff i might like in it. its good to know whats in the mix ahead of time.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 10:56:02 AM »

If there was absolutely no legal / political reason why you shouldn't post track lists... then I would post them every time. I always want to know what I'm listening to, so I'd make them available.

That said, recently the thought of secrecy has crossed my mind, in the sense that anyone could go to Beatport and pick up the tracks in my mix for a few dollars then mix it themselves, stealing my genius track selection and placement. But... I've decided I don't care.

As it stands right now, I DO make all my tracklists available, and I'll continue to do so as long as I have to power to. As I've said elsewhere, this industry relies on the symbiosis between producers and DJs. For the most part, music created in this industry isn't going to be listened to unless it's dropped by a DJ somewhere. For that reason I personally would never limit music I create to requiring public performance licensing, I think that's totally counter-intuitive. I just hope other artists and labels begin to feel the same way, so that people  can forget about the public performance problem. (Selling mixes for profit is a different story.)
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 12:16:12 PM »

If there was absolutely no legal / political reason why you shouldn't post track lists... then I would post them every time. I always want to know what I'm listening to, so I'd make them available.

That said, recently the thought of secrecy has crossed my mind, in the sense that anyone could go to Beatport and pick up the tracks in my mix for a few dollars then mix it themselves, stealing my genius track selection and placement. But... I've decided I don't care.

As it stands right now, I DO make all my tracklists available, and I'll continue to do so as long as I have to power to. As I've said elsewhere, this industry relies on the symbiosis between producers and DJs. For the most part, music created in this industry isn't going to be listened to unless it's dropped by a DJ somewhere. For that reason I personally would never limit music I create to requiring public performance licensing, I think that's totally counter-intuitive. I just hope other artists and labels begin to feel the same way, so that people  can forget about the public performance problem. (Selling mixes for profit is a different story.)

Yeah, but anybody good enough to buy all the tracks you mixed and mix it themselves probably doesn't need to do so, as they're probably decent mixers already...and it's not like it's producing a track, where they could make money off your idea...

Honestly, there's pretty much no harm at all in releasing a tracklist. And, like was said before, most people aren't going to listen to a mix with no tracklist, unless it's a famous dj.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 12:29:38 PM »

But... I've decided I don't care.

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 03:36:10 PM »

I've lost track of the number of times I've listened to a mixtape, heard an amazing track buried in the middle of the mix, but had no way of knowing what track it was because the DJ didn't print a tracklist on the j-card.

Besides, one of the reasons why most record labels were cool with the underground mixtape and CD scene was because those mixes were one of the only ways the music could be advertised to the listener...so not providing a tracklisting was kind of like cheating the label out of an opportunity...

In the digital age I suppose there's no excuse.

And lol at the public performance licensing comment, especially when I think of how many unlicensed (in every sense of the word) venues I've been to and played at.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 01:06:10 AM »

^ Exactly.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 05:21:09 AM »

Tracklists keep the scene going, its the way to get out there eventually.  If a good DJ starts charting your tracks more, other people buy them.  There isn't alot of genius in putting together a few tracks anymore, IMO.  Finding music sure, but if you have a secret track, which doesn't exist alot, unless its self produced etc, you can always just use promo or white label type terms..
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2008, 07:45:43 AM »

There was a post on Undergroundhouse about someone have a strictly rhythm track in a posted mix (and giving the tracklisting) and they got asked by Strictly to take it down cos it was used without permission......... I'll dig out the URL somewhere, but it was fairly comedy by the end : )
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 08:03:00 AM »

^ and that's the risk. I've seen that happen before. It's annoying and a shame. Also, the RIAA and others are LESS likely to have beef with you if you don't post the listing. Why? b/c they're looking for track titles and file sizes. The file sizes of a mix are going to be way too big so they have to rely on the track listings.

Just food for thought. Technically, unless you are paying all of your fees, it's a violation of copyright law to distribute mixes... period.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 08:13:53 AM »

Technically, unless you are paying all of your fees, it's a violation of copyright law to distribute mixes... period.

Yeah. That's what I'd love to see change (in the form of artists changing and labels changing). Here's wishing.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2008, 08:55:24 AM »

To what? Seriously. They are entitled to their cut. It's an annoying pain, but still. The only thing I would change is the point at which you have to pay fees. If you are offering the mix for free and it's going to fewer than 5,000 people, and it is truly beatmixed it shouldn't matter.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 09:04:17 AM »

Personally, I will never ask for public performance rights of music I create.  I think it's counterintuitive to this industry. I totally understand why people WOULD want them, but I think in the long run it would serve everyone better if public performance was freely available. I understand other artists may disagree with me, but I don't think there's a significant enough margin where DJs are making money off tracks by playing them in a club, that warrants artists and labels really getting up in arms. If a DJ is really being propelled by another artist's tracks, then that artist's tracks are must be being played heavily, which I think is a form of revenue on it's own (and may well result in DIRECT revenue).
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2008, 09:06:51 AM »

And here's that link.........

http://www.undergroundhouse.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=101128

some of the same arguements in there.......with marginally more fruity language  police
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 09:40:28 AM »

Fun reading there.

I think in furtherance to this topic, I'd say that choosing to not post tracklists because you don't want to get caught, doesn't sit right with me. Breaking a technical law (by posting free mix downloads) is one thing, but taking steps to not get caught doing that, is a second thing. Hence why I'll always post tracklists, while I'm releasing mixes.
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