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pete le freq
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 09:46:48 AM »
I think its more to do with the labels perspective - most labels are quite pleased for people to include their tracks, its all promotion at the end of the day.

moral of the story is, avoid the militant ones Wink
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2008, 09:51:12 AM »
Quote from: pete le freq on April 07, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
I think its more to do with the labels perspective - most labels are quite pleased for people to include their tracks, its all promotion at the end of the day.

moral of the story is, avoid the militant ones Wink

So do you do that by not using their tracks at all, or by being subversive?
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2008, 09:54:19 AM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 07, 2008, 09:04:17 AM
I understand other artists may disagree with me, but I don't think there's a significant enough margin where DJs are making money off tracks by playing them in a club, that warrants artists and labels really getting up in arms.

If your music is mainly purchased by DJs, then most of your money will come from them playing it in clubs and on the radio. I'm more concerned about radio than clubs b/c radio will reach THOUSANDs where as a club will reach a few hundred. It's all about potential distribution.
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2008, 10:05:31 AM »
Are we agreeing then? I'm not sure if you're saying:

 "Most of your money will come from them playing it in clubs.... because they're paying licensing fees to do so"

or

"Most your money will come from them playing it ins clubs... thus giving you more exposure."
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2008, 10:15:00 AM »
Most of the producers I know, none of whom are on any major labels, have no problem with their tracks being posted in DJ mixsets -- as long as they are posted with a track listing.  It actually pisses them off when DJs post their tracks, but don't give them credit in a tracklisting.  The biggest local forum for dance music here is www.nohatersbbs.com, and if you post a set there without a track listing, the mods will ask you to post it because the general consensus of the community there is that if you don't post the tracklisting than you're doing the producers a disfavor.

I have also talked with some major label producers via forums like this one who pretty much agree with the above.  I have no idea how their labels feel on the issue, though.

Oh, and unless you're world famous, the RIAA probably isn't even looking your direction -- yet.
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2008, 10:28:25 AM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 07, 2008, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: pete le freq on April 07, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
I think its more to do with the labels perspective - most labels are quite pleased for people to include their tracks, its all promotion at the end of the day.

moral of the story is, avoid the militant ones Wink

So do you do that by not using their tracks at all, or by being subversive?

Not using their tracks at all.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2008, 12:13:26 PM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 07, 2008, 10:05:31 AM
Are we agreeing then? I'm not sure if you're saying:

 "Most of your money will come from them playing it in clubs.... because they're paying licensing fees to do so"

or

"Most your money will come from them playing it ins clubs... thus giving you more exposure."

Kinda neither. I'm more concerned that radio outfits pay the fees than the clubs. They can reach more people than clubs. So... I don't really care about clubs.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2008, 12:14:44 PM »
Quote from: DJ Reborn on April 07, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Oh, and unless you're world famous, the RIAA probably isn't even looking your direction -- yet.

Tell that to the seniors and 12 year-olds they're suing Wink
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2008, 07:23:55 AM »
Re-phrase for Dave's sake:  "Unless you're a world famous DJ, the RIAA is probably not looking your direction as far as posting promotional mixsets on the internet goes."
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2008, 07:29:39 AM »
again...

Tell that to the seniors and 12 year-olds they're suing  Wink

The truth is, we don't know what will tick off the RIAA. We just don't. Everytime you post a mix, you take a risk. That's not to say that we shouldn't. Legally, we shouldn't. The issue here though is as a DJ, your mix set is your resume. It's your portfolio. You have to make it available or you won't land a gig.

If you really want the RIAA on your tale, sell the mix. Want to get nailed big time, sell a lot and say you only charging for the artwork. Here in Atlanta, that's exactly what happened.
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2008, 07:32:47 AM »
The RIAA have been taking a bit of a legal whipping lately, if you're to believe Slashdot. Not that it'll be enough to slow them down, yet.
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2008, 07:34:57 AM »
I wonder what DJs in Europe or Oceania deal with. Canada's becoming about as "dangerous" as the US for RIAA style beat downs.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2008, 07:46:49 AM »
Well, in the UK, they make DJs take out annual licenses now. The Djs, and the clubs (I think) are both paying to play now.
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2008, 08:01:30 AM »
Are any DJs in the world charging advertising rates?

Perhaps I will... one day.
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 08:25:02 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on April 08, 2008, 07:46:49 AM
Well, in the UK, they make DJs take out annual licenses now. The Djs, and the clubs (I think) are both paying to play now.

No they dont. If you are playing mp3s off a computer, they reccommend you get a license, but if your playing off of vinyl or cds (with downloaded mp3s on) you dont need one. Basically, because you own a physical copy of the recordings, they're not bothered.

Clubs still have to pay for an Ents license to play music. DJs are covered by that.
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