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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2008, 09:45:41 AM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 03, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
Sure... I'm not debating that, but I guess for you, the story of creation is faith breaker, due to lineage. I believe all that was true, but even if I didn't, I believe that Jesus did come 2000 years ago.

Why? Because I've met him. I haven't met Adam... so he doesn't matter to me as much as Jesus.

Jesus talked about Adam and creation as if it was true. You have to believe Jesus if you met him.
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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2008, 09:47:21 AM »
these are the questions you have to ask yourself: (meaning, I'm saying this rhetorically)

who wrote genesis?
why do you think he (moses) wrote it?
what's the historical context he wrote it in?
does the above question affect how he would have written it?
how many copies of his original manuscript/copies of it do we have?
how many contradictions are in each copy we have (we don't have the original)
what do other historical manuscripts say about the things in genesis (if there any from that time)?
do the answers to the above questions allude to the idea that genesis is inerrant or inspired?  what does the answer to that mean?

i would also highly recommend these books (in this order):

misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman
misqouting Truth by Timothy Paul Jones
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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2008, 09:48:13 AM »
Quote from: djrodimus on April 03, 2008, 09:43:53 AM
actually carey i totally agree with the possibility that God made the earth in a period of time that could be much longer then our days are now. the Bible doesnt come right hour and say a day is a 24 hour period of time... it actually says that to God a thousand years is like a day etc... so its quite possible that the earth was created over a vast period of time that was divided up into "days"... thats certianly possible... 

Well, I think that's the sort of angle Noah is taking.
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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2008, 09:49:12 AM »
Quote from: Dancechapel on April 03, 2008, 09:48:13 AM
Quote from: djrodimus on April 03, 2008, 09:43:53 AM
actually carey i totally agree with the possibility that God made the earth in a period of time that could be much longer then our days are now. the Bible doesnt come right hour and say a day is a 24 hour period of time... it actually says that to God a thousand years is like a day etc... so its quite possible that the earth was created over a vast period of time that was divided up into "days"... thats certianly possible... 

Well, I think that's the sort of angle Noah is taking.

to be honest i'm not sure.  just trying to figure it out like everyone else   Smiley

p.s.  i like you guys
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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2008, 09:52:58 AM »
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Jesus talked about Adam and creation as if it was true. You have to believe Jesus if you met him.




That's very good Dmitri!  (Seriously, impressed.)

Not case closed, but a very good point!
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« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2008, 09:53:58 AM »
Quote from: Dancechapel on April 03, 2008, 09:37:44 AM

If we were to get to heaven though and find out Adam & Eve were not real people, but just a story to help us understand the fall of man, would that really hurt anything?

As long as there was still sin, and Jesus still came and saved us from sin, and was resurrected, are the specifics that important?

Then may be Jesus is not a real person, it's just a myth to help us live better lives? You see what I am getting at? It all comes back to "Did God really say?" You are putting your bets on science over God's word. I will take God's word anyday. And Yes, "Evening and Morning" define 24 hour day.
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« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2008, 09:57:56 AM »
Quote from: noah on April 03, 2008, 09:47:21 AM
these are the questions you have to ask yourself: (meaning, I'm saying this rhetorically)

who wrote genesis?
why do you think he (moses) wrote it?
what's the historical context he wrote it in?
does the above question affect how he would have written it?
how many copies of his original manuscript/copies of it do we have?
how many contradictions are in each copy we have (we don't have the original)
what do other historical manuscripts say about the things in genesis (if there any from that time)?
do the answers to the above questions allude to the idea that genesis is inerrant or inspired?  what does the answer to that mean?

i would also highly recommend these books (in this order):

misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman
misqouting Truth by Timothy Paul Jones

Good points. Just want to mention that Genesis was found with dead sea scrolls and LXX translation had it, so those are strong arguments for it. Plus Jesus quoted from it, so it's a good argument for it too.
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« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2008, 10:00:45 AM »
Quote from: dmitri_vaganov on April 03, 2008, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: noah on April 03, 2008, 09:47:21 AM
these are the questions you have to ask yourself: (meaning, I'm saying this rhetorically)

who wrote genesis?
why do you think he (moses) wrote it?
what's the historical context he wrote it in?
does the above question affect how he would have written it?
how many copies of his original manuscript/copies of it do we have?
how many contradictions are in each copy we have (we don't have the original)
what do other historical manuscripts say about the things in genesis (if there any from that time)?
do the answers to the above questions allude to the idea that genesis is inerrant or inspired?  what does the answer to that mean?

i would also highly recommend these books (in this order):

misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman
misqouting Truth by Timothy Paul Jones

Good points. Just want to mention that Genesis was found with dead sea scrolls and LXX translation had it, so those are strong arguments for it. Plus Jesus quoted from it, so it's a good argument for it too.

ooh ooh pick me teacher! i know some interesting facts about the dead sea scrolls as i have seen them in person...

the dead sea scrolls were checked against our current Bible...(not exactly sure what version) and they were found to be 99.5% the same.  Cool the guy giving the tour said that the .5% can be accounted for by words that don't mutually exist or have translations in both languages..
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« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2008, 10:06:15 AM »
Quote from: dmitri_vaganov on April 03, 2008, 09:53:58 AM
Then may be Jesus is not a real person, it's just a myth to help us live better lives? You see what I am getting at? It all comes back to "Did God really say?" You are putting your bets on science over God's word. I will take God's word anyday. And Yes, "Evening and Morning" define 24 hour day.

I don't believe in the Bible so abstractly that I think it's just a story to help us lead better lives, I think it's real and factual.

I think we can interpret things from it with tunnel vision sometimes though.

Jesus taught using parables, if we believe His parables were just stories to help us understand something, and not real people and events, does that take away their value?

He was still the son of God, and still taught us what he wanted us to know.

He also taught facts and not just parables.

I don't believe the entire bible is a parable or something crazy like that, but I think you can look at 6 days as 6 years without doing any harm to the fact that Jesus is still the son of God and the only way to heaven.

Again, personally I believe in a literal Genesis, Adam & Eve were real people, etc

I just don't think it's heresy for Noah to be a little more open minded about it.
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« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2008, 10:16:46 AM »
Three "In Before The Lock" posts on page one should have been my first clue that this thread has gone on three pages too long.   Wink

While I appreciate that this discussion has remained civil, rules are rules (or should that be "forum guidelines are forum guidelines?")
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