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Topic: Our economy on the verge of destruction? (Read 2459 times)
Adambomb337
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talk about talking about itself there where im not
Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 02:32:28 AM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 02, 2008, 01:27:32 AM
And the issues with people living off the welfare system, I totally understand that, and it's terrible. Canada has the same problem.
But what if people weren't leeching? This is one of the strangest things about Finland, the
population in general
are givers, not takers. There's a law here about Everyman's Forest: it means anyone can go into a forest, and take stuff, greenery, bushes, nuts, whatever. It's free. In Canada, such a law would destroy the country, because people would just take and take till all the resources were plundered. Finn's understand how that would destroy a forest, and so it's not an issue. Nationwide.
Encyclopedia Britannica
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That's pretty cool! Why do you think the people there are like that? Is it the way they are raised?
We, in the USA, are so materialistic and I think it causes so many problems. It's like we've forgotten about life itself and are constantly focused on things. This is especially true where I live in California. Someone once told me that the way we observe value is completely screwed up. A price on a item that we buy has nothing to do with its value. Before we buy something, we don't see where it is going to take us in life or improve us as a person. We constantly sacrifice a better future for things we want now.
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 02:49:54 AM »
Quote from: Adambomb337 on April 02, 2008, 02:32:28 AM
Why do you think the people there are like that? Is it the way they are raised?
DJuiceD might be able to give a better answer than me, but I think it's due to the history of the country and the living conditions. We're really friggin far North, 1/3 of Finland is in the arctic circle, and Finland has a very low population (and population density). I think that has combined to result in people understanding the need to share, and the need to preserve. But I'm no expert.
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Big Dave
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 04:05:18 AM »
its is also a whole planning thing. probably the biggest industry in Finland is the paper industry. now it has been for a long time. and i think they produce 1/3 of the worlds paper pulp. but since the 1940's the ammount of trees has increased. so it is planning ahead. looking at you need to look out in the future.
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 05:56:30 AM »
I think its interesting that you mention bush or McCain as social conservatives? They are growing goverment and debt, that isn't a conservative idealogy.
Socialism isn't good if you ask me, but to each his own. I think in America you will always have the grass roots of laissez faire approach or "hands off".
Ah the global warming hoax. Isn't interesting that Al Gores movie is based on a .5° + change in temperature rise and this last year the earth cooled almost 2°, but no one is talking about it. Its hush hush, and the ocean temperatures have not changed, regardles s of ice formations or not. The earth hasn't warmed in over 10 years now. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time last year, did anyone see that? Thousands of people died in Africa last year from cold temperatures, China, where is that news? 30 years ago, people predicted the next ice age, massive movement. During the great depression, people made movie trailors about the world freezing, and they tried populism then. Conservation is good in itself, its too bad they threw all that in the same bowl...get ready for a save the planet tax
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 07:48:50 AM »
Quote from: Adambomb337 link=topic=11206.msg119928#msg119928
We, in the USA, are so materialistic and I think it causes so many problems. It's like we've forgotten about life itself and are constantly focused on things. This is especially true where I live in California. Someone once told me that the way we observe value is completely screwed up. A price on a item that we buy has nothing to do with its value. Before we buy something, we don't see where it is going to take us in life or improve us as a person. We constantly sacrifice a better future for things we want now.
Yeah, we have materialism problems. The thing is though that time and time again, when there is an outcry either nationally or internationally, American PEOPLE (not the government) out give every other nation and their people. We may be materialistic, but we are givers.
There was a study done a few years ago that tracked giving by political association in the US. As it turned out, liberals in the country did very little personal giving while conservatives on the other hand gave out a ton. It goes back to perspective. The liberals view giving as something only the Government should do rather than something we all should do on our own.
Roybn Blummer, a columnist for the St. Petersburg Times in FL wrote an
article
about this for yesterday's edition. In it she said:
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"The [free] market is not the best part of America. Not even close. Our government is the best part – or at least is used to be before the current gang took over."
It's wrong for me to decide how to spend my money, be it on giving or starting a business that will employ thousands of others. I don't know what's best. It's all a lie.
So is materialism.
Satan gets us both ways. It's a matter of finding balance. Otherwise we end up in a position of saying
God intended us all to be nomads
and that if we truly loved one another there would be no need for either capitalism or communism.
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 07:59:39 AM »
Quote from: strobian on April 02, 2008, 05:56:30 AM
I think its interesting that you mention bush or McCain as social conservatives? They are growing goverment and debt, that isn't a conservative idealogy.
By Bush's own words, what he's doing is compassionate conservatism. The Republicans have lost their way... period. The thing is, that they still want LESS growth of government than the Dems right now.
Outside of the war(s) and tax cuts, Bush isn't really on my "best prez" list right now.
Quote from: strobian on April 02, 2008, 05:56:30 AM
I think in America you will always have the grass roots of laissez faire approach or "hands off".
I'm seriously starting to see that disappear. Just look at what you said about Bush.
Quote from: strobian on April 02, 2008, 05:56:30 AM
Conservation is good in itself, its too bad they threw all that in the same bowl...get ready for a save the planet tax
It's interesting that most of the taxes and limits proposed and in placed are aimed at harming developed western nations economies while not restricting those of China, India and other nations with booming economic growth. All I know is that another gas tax will not get me to drive less. I have to drive to get to my job. That isn't a choice. Want to give me a choice? Push harder on alternative fuels (other than ethanol which is way too inefficient and based on our food supply - 1 gallon of ethanol requires as much corn as you would eat in 1 year.)
Ok... there is one GOOD thing Bush did besides the war and tax cuts. He pushed the idea of hydrogen fuel cell cars and put money behind it.
Chevy
,
Honda
and other car manufacturers are about to start rolling out cars fueled only by hydrogen and with a waste product of water. GIVE ME THIS!!! This technology has been around since the Moon Missions in the 60s. Why has it taken so long for it to become commercialized? It's not like Big Oil won't change over to it.
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Davo
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 10:21:09 AM »
reading this is a good intro lesson in the difference between a conservative and liberal philosophy.
bottom line:
conservatives think money is most efficiently used by individuals, not governments. we BOTH BELIEVE IN FEEDING,CLOTHING,AND SHELTERING THE HUNGRY! Conservatives just believe private institutions, such as the church & their neighbors to do a better job of it than the government.
one FYI: most european countries are lowering taxes, not raising them...
and just another FYI: noone has to sleep outdoors here. most homeless people who actually live under bridges here are mentally ill.
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Davo
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 10:25:08 AM »
oh yeah, one other thing: Finland has 5 million people. that's less that michigan. (IE 1 in 50 states in the US)
it's a whole lot easier to be homogenous and of one mind about things when you have a relatively small group of people and are (i assuming) mostly of the same ancestry..
it's like saying "all people in Alaska share common feelings about the poor and about helping their fellow man".
in a country as large and diverse as the United States, where people from all over the world are still flocking to get in, it's a little bit harder...
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 11:12:18 AM »
Quote from: Davo on April 02, 2008, 10:25:08 AM
it's like saying "all people in Alaska share common feelings about the poor and about helping their fellow man".
Actually, it's like saying "all of the people in the METRO Atlanta area share common feelings about the poor and about helping their fellow man."
Yeah... the city I live in is about the size of your entire country.
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thepudd
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 02:16:41 PM »
lol. Please don't tell me you think I don't know that
All I've been trying to push is the boundaries...
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April 02, 2008, 02:17:07 PM »
And thanks for your comments, all. Good things
I like this discussion.
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April 02, 2008, 02:28:08 PM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 02, 2008, 02:16:41 PM
All I've been trying to push is the boundaries...
Haha... the boundaries were pushed long b4 you posted
That's why so many of us are so anti-what yer saying
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thepudd
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 02:33:37 PM »
Anti thinking outside of your current boxes? Snap.
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April 02, 2008, 05:04:39 PM »
after thinking outside of ALL the boxes, you have no where to go but back into them. One day I plan to do an installation piece about this.
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Re: Our economy on the verge of destruction?
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April 02, 2008, 09:10:56 PM »
to go back abit on the giving and taking.
the american thing to do is take what you want, ever since the beginning. look at what the government did to the native americans. we took what we wanted, regardless of what they wanted. it has sparked a trend that is the root of greed and materialism. thats america.
i once heard that less then 3% of christians have the spiritual gift of service. i think its less then 3% in the US only. because i have seen african christians give up their food for a day so that i could have some beef stew or something for dinner.
you have no idea what that feels like unless it has happened to you.
but what if we were like that? what if the church in america started giving without thought to the consiquences (its God's money anyway)? what would happen? i think people would stop thinking that the Church is only out to get money. i heard a study lately that said something like 70% of money given to the church stays in the church. (the guy wanted pastors and full time people to work for free... which i dont agree with and i understand opporating costs, but jeeze)
what if American Christians really understood that everything they own was given to them by God and that God was really the owner?
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