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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2008, 07:43:53 PM »
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[...]I'm tired of social conservativeness. People don't have a RIGHT to a home they can't afford to have. The gov't doesn't have the RIGHT to... nevermind.

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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2008, 07:54:41 PM »
It's only now really getting political. Brandon's watching this. He can lock it and remain impartial Smiley I'm pretty much tapped out on the subject. All I'm going to do is tell you to do some better research on the subject anyway.

Just remember, the last site you linked to has video links about global warming and how it's worsening b/c of an increase of hurricanes. He's looking at the past 30 years of data, but ignoring data from the early to mid 1900s where they actually had more hurricanes between cat 3 & 5 than in the past 50 years.

Ask yourself this:

1) Why is an economics site pushing information about global warming so hard rather than economic information?
2) Why is it that they are only concerned with a small window of data rather than the big picture?
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« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2008, 08:09:01 PM »
Yeah, I know those videos are really messed up but the research articles and books they release on gold, retirement, etc. seem pretty legit.

How do they know that what the earth is going through now wasn't part of its normal cycle hundreds/thousands of years ago? Even my Geography teach a few years ago said she didn't know if global warming was real and I personally think it's one of those issues that will never be black and white. But, I think it's good that it has caused people to do things like recycle more.
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« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2008, 08:18:41 PM »
Actually just a few weeks ago, NASA released data that showed that the process of warming has stopped. The Earth basically has a control mechanism in it for this type of thing.

Anyway, here's the point you missed... how can you trust them on economics if they show flaws in other areas of research they are promoting?

Their bit on unemployment however is fuzzy though. It's along the same lines as those who say the people in prison should be counted in unemployment as well as those who have stopped looking b/c "technically" they are unemployed.
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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2008, 09:14:29 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2008, 12:43:40 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on March 31, 2008, 07:19:09 PM
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Living in Finland, a country where the majority of the population TRUST the government, because they're WORTH trusting, is a bit mind boggling.

You guys are fools Smiley

Hahaha. Well, that's fine. But as long as they keep providing free education at all levels, stipends to students so they have living/spending money, loads of grants for research projects, plentiful bonus money for raising a family, free banking, free-ish health care, just about no-strings-attached unemployment benefits, including real back to work training, corporations who want financial wealth for customers, not to rob their pockets, lots of fair trade agreements, highest percentage of their GDP spend on international development, recycling my garbage into 5 categories....and excellent dairy products.... then I'm happy to high taxes and be a fool Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2008, 12:47:54 AM »
Sad situation our country is in.... All we can do is pray, and vote for who seems the best candidate, and for God to provide all our needs, which he will anyway. Funny that paper can cause such a problem but alas it does. Let's those behind the scenes have all the control. So much corruption... so many things hidden from us....

But God has infiniti more power than any man or group in power like the illuminati. God let your will be done. Amen.
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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2008, 07:08:50 AM »
Quote from: thepudd on April 01, 2008, 12:43:40 AM
Hahaha. Well, that's fine. But as long as they keep providing... then I'm happy to high taxes and be a fool Smiley

And... just how high are your taxes (don't forget gas tax, property tax, sales tax...)? What would you do with that money if taxes were HALF of what they are?
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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2008, 07:27:58 AM »
I am coming late to this particular party... but let me add this...

I run a small production house here in the Detroit area, I have a few steady clients(hey... its growing Smiley ) one of my main customers works at a high level in the financial field (securities) as a day job, and we are working on a couple of projects that includes a documentary film and an audiobook. . . he is a very conservative man. if anyone tried to throw any form of "liberal" label at him it would cause waves of laughter that would roll across the nation...

2 weeks ago, he was telling me stories of clients of his losing BILLIONS of dollars, and how frankly, he (and many of his peers) expect to see MASSIVE bank failures by the end of the year, if things are not somehow artificially corrected. that is what the whole move to have the Fed oversee the banking system AND the stock market is all about... it is an artificial "cure" for what could very well be a complete collapse of our banking system.

will it work? he is quite skeptical. . . we'll see. either way, its a good time to sit back, relax... and realize that God is in control.
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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2008, 10:59:32 AM »
^ massive bank failures would definitely suck. it will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. i'm definitely no expert though, so im not going to offer up any factual statements or opinions.
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« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2008, 11:21:06 AM »
Shortsightedly I say...

I'm glad my bank is FDIC insured for up to $100,000 and that my combined bank accounts are still far, far under that amount.
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« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2008, 11:41:55 AM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on March 31, 2008, 01:30:14 PM
People don't have a RIGHT to a home they can't afford to have. The gov't doesn't have the RIGHT to... nevermind.

it's funny,because ANYONE can afford some sort of home in this country.  i was flipping through one of those "homes for sale" papers, and saw not one,but several trailers (in good parts of town) for $500- $3000.   No, living in a trailer park isn't paradise,but it sure ain't the ghetto and it's better than most of the world has it.
  if you can't make $300/mo for a home+space rent in this country, then there's something wrong with you...
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« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2008, 11:52:14 AM »
Exactly.
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« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2008, 01:22:12 PM »
Quote from: Dave Richards on April 01, 2008, 07:08:50 AM
Quote from: thepudd on April 01, 2008, 12:43:40 AM
Hahaha. Well, that's fine. But as long as they keep providing... then I'm happy to high taxes and be a fool Smiley

And... just how high are your taxes (don't forget gas tax, property tax, sales tax...)? What would you do with that money if taxes were HALF of what they are?

Haha, and that's exactly the attitude that's not present here. The population understands that if they're all paying higher taxes, they all benefit together. People generally are happy paying for another person's education, another person's childcare, because they know it'll come back to them. What would you do with that money if it wasn't gone in taxes? Pay for something that taxes are currently covering.
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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2008, 01:36:42 PM »
Honestly, I would send my child to private school and give him a better education, invest more for retirement (and get 10x as much as the Gov't could provide), I would be encouraged and able to save more, I might even give more to my church, pay off my mortgage A LOT faster and that's just the start of things. I'm a huge supporter of the FairTax.

An individual is always better at determining his or her needs than a government could ever be.
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