Not really sayin a whole lot to back up your argument pudd.

Here is what I know... if you want to talk about an industry standard, then it's the Rane MP24. Pioneer doesn't even come close as they just even came on the scene in the last 7 or 8 years (don't quote me on the time, but they certainly haven't been around nearly as long as Rane or Urei has) Rane MP24's from the 80's are still running strong in some clubs and the output sound quality is far superior to Pioneer, as a matter of fact the Rane MP24 has been in existence since 1986.. longer than any other mixer currently in production. Why do you think that is? Not to mention the power of the headphone driver, sharp eq's, and the fact that they are linear mixers (you bring the mix in and it is exactly where it is supposed to be on the fader, not slurring in the mix as is typical with Pioneers and other lower quality mixers). The Urei rotary mixers were used in the disco clubs in the late 70's and they are still using the same design technics for a lot of them. Anyone that has attempted to replace a fader or dial on a Pioneer can attest to the fact that the quality is flat out cheap, why do you think the faders break so easily and people are replacing them all the time?? You don't hear about these issues with the other brands I mentioned, because they are quality and built to last. Is there any question why Pioneer keeps "upgrading" their mixer? I can answer that, because they STILL haven't gotten it right. I challenge you to find a DJ that has played on all the brands of mixers I listed and have them say any of these are not of superior sound quality, design, and construction than any Pioneer. Like I mentioned, you want the bells and whistles like the flanger, filter, blah blah.. get an external processor, yes the Pioneers come with these effects.. and the quality on the effects is just as poor as the rest of the thing.

I guess what I'm saying is, if you are going to spend the money then do some research and you will find out what is what. Pioneers should go for about $300-400, they are way overpriced in my opinion

Doing the research, It seems that Pioneer has been in the market since 1938, with their Home stereo receivers, car cd players, and now, dvd players to dj mixers....BTW I still have, and use the original Pioneer stereo receiver model SX-650, an old hand me down from my family,as my monitoring system. It Just sounds great! granted, the speakers went out long time ago,  so I replaced them with a pair of Sony 3-ways for like 99$ at radio shack, and I rock the garage for the next mile...lol

Like I said in the other threads, to each his own, however, the pioneer 1000's were the first CDJ's to introduce CD Scratch.....hence, the name Pioneer....LOL

It's a company I loved from the very beginning, and their innovations and willingness to evolve more into the DJ industry has won my vote many of times.

Well, you did make one good point.. it is all going up in the fire. BUT (you knew there would be a but, didn't you?)
1) I never said a company that makes other products can't make a good mixer, what I said was companies like Rane, Urei, etc specialize in professional audio equipment, not home stereos or DVD players. (i.e. I would not go to the family doctor for brain surgery, I would choose a good brain surgeon... in other words "the specialist")
2) I never said "Rane makes a lifetime fader" but what I did imply was that the issues people find with faders breaking, etc are not common with Ranes or the other brands I listed, however you hear about it frequently with Pioneers. Since you brought up your club with the broken rane fader I will just say this.. a torn off rane fader tells me that someone really put a lot of effort into trying to take that with them because the sliders on those mixers are connected by metal to the core of the unit (unlike the Pioneer)
3) You are right that it is pointless to argue when it is someone's personal preference or opinion, that is precisely the reason I asked if you had played on these other mixers. Obviously if you haven't, you cannot form an opinion on them one way or the other. I have played on plenty and I am talking from experience, not statistics (although rarely in the case of DJ mixers would statistics lie)

btw... my intent was never to "bash" your post. My panties were more in a bunch over pudd calling my initial post "lies" My point is, if you are going to make claims that the Pioneer reigns supreme, you better have all the info to back it up.

Ok, love you guys.   

My point is, if you are going to make claims that the Pioneer reigns supreme, you better have all the info to back it up.

I know you didnt say "Rane makes a lifetime fader", Thats what the guys who came up with their advertisement said, not me either!
Well then, I rest my case.   

Sorry I must have posted at the same time. My last post was in response to Dunamis. I am curious, what do you "rest your case" on?