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Chris Harrington
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« on: February 19, 2008, 11:19:33 PM »

Just wondering if any of you guys on here have them?

if so any advice on how to get one? been working on putting a promo package together latley and i think its about time that i start work on getting one if im serious about djing (Which i am)  Cool

so any advice would be awesome
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 11:30:28 PM »

honestly...I know this question has been asked before and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability.


You DO NOT need a manager until you become at least a small moneymaker.  A manager is not going to get you gigs that you cannot get right now if you are not established.

Here is the deal.  Alot of guys on TF have pipedreams about making money as a DJ.  Here are like 10 reasons why it will never happen.

1. Too many DJs will dj for free or just gas money.
2. Promoters will book their friends regardless of talent.
3. Club owners will book the cities largest name and stick with it thru thick and thin.
4. Did I mention that many great locals DJ for free
5. The Scene is oversaturated with DJs because of the closing of many clubs and hiphop taking over establishments; thus leaving many locals looking for work.
6. Lots of guys who are talented will DJ for free because of their love of the music.
7. Promoters only book touring DJs who have produced megahits (ie. Darude, Tiesto, etc)
8. Have you produced a hit...you will never go on tour and make money without the noticeable track that is the hook for the booking.
9. Crews in cities can run nights.  They book their guys and the club is ok with that.
10. Locals DJ for free on numerous occasions.

Just bust your butt...hook up with some crews.  Beg to be the opener at some clubs.  Offer to dj on tuesdays, wed, thurs, whenever.  do podcasts...travel 4-5 hours for minimal pay.

An agent or manager is not the issue.  It is hard work first...after you get some money coming in then go for that.

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 11:41:01 PM »

I was not trying to be ugly or mean or anything like that.  Just wanted to say:


1. Work extremely hard
2. Work even harder than you think you are
3. Never release a bad demo
4. work the radio, podcasts, and clubs that you can
5. start producing if you wanna tour and make dough
6. start making some serious cash and then look for someone to help you with gigs.

the best way to get gigs is obviously networking and hooking up with djs and promoters that can help you get gigs.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 11:49:48 PM »

honestly...I know this question has been asked before and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability.


You DO NOT need a manager until you become at least a small moneymaker.  A manager is not going to get you gigs that you cannot get right now if you are not established.

Here is the deal.  Alot of guys on TF have pipedreams about making money as a DJ.  Here are like 10 reasons why it will never happen.

1. Too many DJs will dj for free or just gas money.
2. Promoters will book their friends regardless of talent.
3. Club owners will book the cities largest name and stick with it thru thick and thin.
4. Did I mention that many great locals DJ for free
5. The Scene is oversaturated with DJs because of the closing of many clubs and hiphop taking over establishments; thus leaving many locals looking for work.
6. Lots of guys who are talented will DJ for free because of their love of the music.
7. Promoters only book touring DJs who have produced megahits (ie. Darude, Tiesto, etc)
8. Have you produced a hit...you will never go on tour and make money without the noticeable track that is the hook for the booking.
9. Crews in cities can run nights.  They book their guys and the club is ok with that.
10. Locals DJ for free on numerous occasions.

Just bust your butt...hook up with some crews.  Beg to be the opener at some clubs.  Offer to dj on tuesdays, wed, thurs, whenever.  do podcasts...travel 4-5 hours for minimal pay.

An agent or manager is not the issue.  It is hard work first...after you get some money coming in then go for that.



ya mate, all of that stuff has crossed my mind already. First off let me say i dont want to DJ for money. I never have and i hope i never will. The reason i have decided i want to start looking for a manager is i'm at a place where i need someone not to find me gigs (well that would be nice as well hahah) but to deal with A) booking requests B) handel all that managerial stuff that im no good at (ya i didnt say that well, i couldnt find the right words)

I have so many projects on the go at the moment that i think a manger really could help me out. I mean look at all the stuff i have on the go at the moment:

Weekly radio show
Remixing 2 tracks for a record label
Mixing a Compilation CD for a record label (more info on that coming soon)
starting up my own record label
running a local monthly club night
working on my debut EP
recording and sending out Demos to all my contacts
and traveling all over Canada playing shows

So i think that i am working pretty hard to wards it already, not that im saying your points arnt any good (infact they all make sense to me). The one thing i do disagree with you on is the fact that a manager will not get u any shows that u cant get yourself already. If that was true then whats the point of any DJ having a manager?

Anyway thanks for your post doug, i know ur one of the harder working people on the board and i love what your doing at the moment. Keep up the good work  Smiley

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 11:58:04 PM »

OK you are right Chris.  An agent/mgr can help you get you get gigs that you can't get...maybe.   I just believe that you can get them easier many many times then they can.

I think you hit the nail on the head...the mgr keep you organized and lets you know of people that wanna book you.


someone else here can correct me on this

does the mgr look for gigs for ya...i really don't see that happening.  I see them organizing the gigs you have and gig requests from promoters.  I don't see them actively pursuing gigs so much for ya.  Someone with knowledge on this can clarify this.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 12:02:17 AM »

OK you are right Chris.  An agent/mgr can help you get you get gigs that you can't get...maybe.   I just believe that you can get them easier many many times then they can.

I think you hit the nail on the head...the mgr keep you organized and lets you know of people that wanna book you.


someone else here can correct me on this

does the mgr look for gigs for ya...i really don't see that happening.  I see them organizing the gigs you have and gig requests from promoters.  I don't see them actively pursuing gigs so much for ya.  Someone with knowledge on this can clarify this.

Hmmm that is a good point. I would like to know the answer to that as well. I always assumed that a manager was supposed to promote u and find gigs for you but maybe im wrong
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 12:24:02 AM »

You don't have everything wrong.  Personal managers are to help you deal with the day to day running of your business but they do not get you gigs.

A personal manager can be really helpful if you find the right one.  Their main deal is to give you advice and help navigate you through the business side of things - not to get you gigs.  In the business world it's always good to have someone experienced on your side -- particularly if you're paying them.

They will probably get you with the right  lawyers and accountants who can deal with the business side of things for you.  (You do have at _least_ an accountant and a corporation, yes?)   GIGS -- here's the money quote:  They will also be responsible for finding a booking agent who will find gigs for you because you're probably too busy being creative.

Managers will take 15% to 20% of your gross.  Most experienced guys out there won't go for net.  Sometimes it's a sliding scale -- the more you make, the bigger his cut.  If you're looking for someone to do it full time just for you then you're gonna probably have to pay them a salary (like $35k/year).  There are guys out there that manage 5 or 10 acts, but then you'll only be getting like 1/5th or 1/10th of his time.

I'm not sure how much cash you're pulling in from gigs and deals but you can sometimes get managers on a development deal.  They'll work for less money from your gigs and take a big commission if you hit it big.  If you're not signed to a record label then they'll have to front the money and time into you and that's a huge investment risk financially speaking and a lot of them won't take that risk.

Hope that clears things up for everyone.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 10:21:24 AM »

Doug hit on something important.  Today's market really is catering to producers, most promoters I know don't book people who don't have music out on legit labels.  The real club circuit is run by people with production talent and DJ ability.  With today's "auto talent" DJ programs, production is starting to be the real "talent" that alot of people are getting known for, and its almost looked at as one.  If you are a DJ and you can't make great tracks your chances are lower than if you do.  I would even say its pretty much assumed today that you do both.  Run down the list of DJ's at the festival gigs that pay well, they have great sucessful labels, and can also work the floor.  Most people start out small and grow, do what you can, a local scene is what you should build as well. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 01:03:57 PM »

very nice info here.
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