Ok, gotcha. That's why I wanted to ask. I've just run across Christians, including a family member, that have had that attitude (sickness only happens due to our lack of faith, God has to heal us if we ask, etc.).

Holistic anything is not dodgy in itsself... it's an approach. It's the idea that's there's more to something that is commonly recognised. That we're more than the sum of our parts. I know an amazing chiropractor who is also a Christian, and so he prays for your healing and talks to you about spiritual issues that could be contributing to your pain, as well as doing the back-cracking chiropracting stuff. He could be described as holistic.

Where it's gotten dodgy is many people in the world's concept of spirituality. That's why many people associate holistic health with new age... ONLY because many health practitioners have figured new age stuff is the way to go. But there's nothing directly New Age about holisticism...
If you're a Doctor and you're a Christian and you choose to involve God some way in your practice, then you basically have a holistic approach.

Wikipedia has a good article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holistic_health

I need to keep up with this.



Nowhere in the Bible does it ever talk about a person's spirit being dead. Jesus said "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak". How can a dead spirit be willing?

Please show with Scripture where believers have generational curses.

Well said, full.o.joy 

Exodus 20:5, 34:7
Numbers 14:18
Duet. 5:9

I thought it was interesting that my mom and dad were never alcoholic or used drugs.  I was not raised in that type of environment at all.  My great grandpa on my dad's side sold and drank moonshine.  I always knew my GG as a good man who came to know the Lord.  Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming my decisions on GG.  I opened that door.  Little did I know there was a lot of history with the enemy there.  The second time I went to a party I bought drugs to sell and made more out of it than was actually there.  I had no clue about that stuff but I took to it like an old pro.  My Grandpa on my mom's side was a great man of God who was a gideon and did some missions.  I talked to him and found out when he was younger he got into smoking gymson (sp) weed.  And guess what?  My drugs of choice where hallucigens.

Before I ever read the bible I went to a rehab that said that drug addiction can go back three and four generations.  Then wouldn't you know it, the bible said the same thing.  I guess God does know what He's talking about.

You can't tell me that generational curses can't affect us.  If we never open the door the might not. 

More importantly blessings are generational.  I am glad that my GG and my Grandpa sowed the blessing of having a relationship with Jesus Christ.

First of all I think it is interesting how all the verses you put are Old Covenant and not New.

Exd 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
Exd 20:6  And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So you hate God? Please stop taking these verses out of context.

Exd 34:7  Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].

The third and forth generations from the time this was written was when the children of Israel were conquered and taken captive into Babylon. This was a specific prophecy. Do the math. Please stop taking old testament specific scriptures and making them apply to believers.

Num 14:18  The LORD [is] longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing [the guilty], visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation].

Read the passage. Look at the context.

Deu 5:9  Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,

Once again this is a reiterating of Exodus 20:5. I don't hate God. Generational sins may affect non-believers but not believers. I asked someone to show me where believers are affected by generational sins or curses.

What about this>

Eze 18:1 ¶ The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
Eze 18:2  What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Eze 18:3  [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have [occasion] any more to use this proverb in Israel.

The proverb basically says that the father eats grapes and the son has crooked teeth because of it. Generational curse. God says NO MORE are you to think this way. Read the whole chapter.


Eze 18:18  [As for] his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did [that] which [is] not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
Eze 18:19 ¶ Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, [and] hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Eze 18:20  The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 ¶ But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22  All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
 
Read the whole chapter. God now deals with individuals. Not generations. Please don't take specific portions of Scripture that have to do with Israel and make them apply to New Covenant believers. God takes all of Ezekial 18 to show that those things don't apply anymore.

Don't throw out the OT, read it to see how God dealt with the Jews, but don't take things specific to that Covenant , specifically Israel and make it apply to New Covenant believers. Plus there are promises that God made to Israel that have not been fulfilled. Those promises will be fulfilled one day and have nothing to do with me.

My Father is a total loser who has a mistress, who does drugs, and is a huge liar. Those things only applied to me BEFORE I was born again.

If, when I am born again, I am placed into Jesus Christ, I die with Him, am buried with Him and am raised again with Him to sit in heavenly places, If I am a BRAND NEW CREATURE,old things have PASSED AWAY, behold ALL THINGS are made new, If the old man (the person I used to be) is dead and put off, If I have been cleansed in the blood of Jesus and filled with the Holy Spirit, are you telling me that a curse of any kind is going to make it through that process to effect me now? I don't believe that.

Please show me New Testament scripture that says that I have to deal with generational curses/sins after I am born again. Take it to PM if need be.


They are either not truly born again, or they are fighting a battle that has already been won.