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Topic: Why so much cancer? Honestly. (Read 2035 times)
Alex W
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 11, 2008, 03:26:33 PM »
yea. basically, he answerd pretty much exactly as i would have to everything in here. which sorta scares me... but then again... we do differ on a few pretty important things.
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tmaurer
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 11, 2008, 09:17:08 PM »
John the 2 post you made were right on. Doug I would agree with you about the food. For what it's worth I have been eating half organic food for about the last 8 years. Hopfully it will make a difference. When it all comes down to is God's will. Now who is going to step up and take Brian leggacy. I pray that their are 20 more Brains on tastyfresh in the next year. God bless you all.
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 12, 2008, 12:43:04 AM »
Hehe, maybe we're just splitting hairs.
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on February 11, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
IMO, it's good to pray against disease, etc. But there also has to be acceptance that what we want might not happen, and we need to not get made at God or question a person's faith if healing (or whatever) doesn't happen. (Is this what you're saying, pudd?)
I'm totally on the same page... I never said anything about not accepting what happens as regards to God's sovereignty. I'm saying we can choose to not accept the natural consequences of the world, like cancer, and pray against it. And if there's a healing, Glory to God. I have to assume that many of you are making assumptions about my beliefs here... because I honestly don't see what there is to debate.
Some of you seem to be saying in one breath: Cancer is a natural thing because of what we've done to the planet, AND, God's will is divine, so what happens happens. But that doesn't reconcile! God's given us the power and authority to change this world, so if there's a natural consequence to something that results in a dear friend's death or illness, why should I accept that? God has placed healing in our hands. (But again, if it turns out be His will that the healing doesn't take place, then I can't make it take place... of course I can't)
Have any of you laid hands on someone and seen a leg grow, or seen a tumor drop off? I would be surprised if you some of you have, as seeing that kind of thing changes your perspective on healing, and God's will. Honestly.
Maybe that was too far. I guess the thing that just disturbs me is a somewhat complacent attitude about sickness. Maybe I'm way off base there, but I'd rather be the passionate Christian who prays earnestly for friends to be healed than the nervous Christian who worries whether it's God will for the healing to take place.
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Alex W
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 12, 2008, 01:44:16 PM »
consiquences are consiquences... when i was a kid, i didnt tell my parents i wasnt going accept a punishment for something i did. i cant tell my creditors that im not going to pay a late fee if i am late on a payment...
thats the point, we learn from them. God took away the ultimate consqence from me, hell. can i really tell God that i will not accept my physical death.
remember, we only have the authority that God gives us, no more. and if He doesnt give us the authority to heal... im sorry. God wants us to be satisfied in Him and His grace...
hope im not coming across to hard...
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tmaurer
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 12, 2008, 06:40:37 PM »
Good point. I think that you have to rember where we as beilevers are going. So why is is such a big deal for us to die or suffer. We were promised suffering. If I don't suffer I'm very thankfull. As far as giving up on people and not praying that is not what we are saying. But you have to let God's will be God's will, not mine. If it were up to me their would be no illness, death, hate, enve, striff. But we live in a fallen world. War and death have been promised to us. All we can do is pray that God will heal and wait and see what He does. As far as the glowing thing talking about that would prob. get this thread locked. I don't disagree that God can't do wonderous things. He does them alot. Why so much pain and cancer. We may not know till we meat up with Brian and the Lord. For now let's focus on what Brian did for this community. Let's move on and rember why we love Brian so much for his music and the witness he gave. Not to metion we need to pray for Chris S and Cyrstal.
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Tactek
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 13, 2008, 07:23:13 AM »
"confess your sins one to another so that ye may be healed" (in the next life) No!
Why would our Father give us the gift of healing through the agency of the Holy Spirit?
When Job got the boils it was because satan touched him. He could not until God allowed Him.
We are joint heirs with christ and he said that we would do greater miracles than him.
There are a whole myriad of variables when it comes to healing. Why some get healed and why some don't.
Unbelief, Unconfessed sin, taking the lord's supper unworthily, unwise health practices, heredity (generational curses), ignorance...
Ultimately it's between the person and God. Yes, if we don't get our healing here we get it in heaven ultimately but why are all those healing scriptures throughout the bible?
The devil is out to steal, kill, and destroy.
We also have a part to play in our health so like I said there are many variables.
Does God heal everytime. No. I don't know why and don't pretend to. I put my faith and trust in God that people I pray for will be healed according to His will. The rest is between them and the Lord. I have experienced and seen miracle healings. There is a bigger picture that we are not able to see yet. But the Word is pretty clear that we can be healed and that God wants us to be healthy. Most of the sufferings that Paul talks about have nothing to do with sickness. The thorn in his flesh being a sickness could even be debated. It could have been a sinful desire he was battling.
God can use someone's suffering and struggling through sickness who holds on to their faith in God then dies as a testimony but was that His perfect will? I don't know.
I know that a blessed man lives to be 3 score and ten. My grandpfather that lived to be 90 always told me that the rest was just icing on the cake. He got cancer which went into remission when he was 85. When he was 89 he told me that he was ready to go home to see the Lord. He was as strong as an ox. Drove everywhere by himself. And was involved in various ministries. Almost a year exactly from when he told me he was ready to go home the cancer came back. He was still able to get around by himself. He went for a routine check up and when left alone for a minute at the doctor he went home. I spent that last year with my grandpa gleaning years of wisdom from him. I wanted him to see 100 but he was ready to go. No prayer for healing would have done anything. We have to do the best we can. Pray and believe for healing according to God's word. Trust in His Judgement's.
God is not fair, He is just.
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 13, 2008, 11:55:19 AM »
That's kindof what I was getting at. Your whole post... not just the end.
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Alex W
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 13, 2008, 01:06:44 PM »
i was under the impression that God was more concerned with the progression of His kingdom then our happiness and wellbeing.
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Tactek
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 13, 2008, 03:40:56 PM »
Yes, I agree that the kingdom does come before our happiness. Often here in America we try to translate "the pursuit of happiness" into the Kingdom of God. It just doesn't work that way. That's why I said that God is not fair, He is just. In the west we try to fit God into our democratic mindset. Democracy is not bibical. It's works better than most political ideologies out there but it is flawed as well. The Kingdom of God is a Theorcracy. We don't get a vote. That rubs our "But I have rights" mindset the wrong way but that's the way it is. Our Father does care about our happiness but the Kingdom does come first. Jesus sent out the twelve in Matt. 10:8 to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely you recieved, freely give. This is what the body of Christ is to do. We are "little christ's", christians! If there is any hope to give should it not be us? What have we recieved? The Kingdom of God is at hand! What did Jesus come to do? What has he sent us out to do? Proclaim the Good News! David was glad that he had seen the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Not just a hope in the next life. The power of God has never left the church. The church is His people and just like individually I have gone through season's where it looked like the power of God wasn't very strong or even could be seen, His hand was with me. The church too has gone through different seasons but the power of God has never left the church.
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ecliptik
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 13, 2008, 04:02:38 PM »
OMG, I was just witnessing to someone on youtube last nite about this similar issue.
Yes it's true that God created all things, and that includes Cancer, unfortunately.
you may ask, "well, why doesn't God heal all cancer?" Are you joking? "by his stripes, we WERE HEALED" he died and took our illness and sin to hell with him. however, he AROSE! and that my friend, activated something over 2000 years ago, meaning that all we have to do Is claim the healing, receive it! God has already made provision for us, while we were yet sinners. We are to be an example of a enriched body, being spiritually, physically, and mentally. I'm not denying that the cancer is there, IM DENYING ITS RIGHT TO BE THERE! It is when we call upon his name and casting out these things, that thy kindom Comes and thy will is done ON EARTH, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. IS cancer in heaven? NO! Then why do we consider cancer as a blessing from God? He receives the glory and the honor and the power, forever and ever! because God only thinks good things towards us, not evil....wow! I should become a minister! lol
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 14, 2008, 08:57:44 AM »
Quote from: ecliptik on February 13, 2008, 04:02:38 PM
Yes it's true that God created all things, and that includes Cancer, unfortunately.
you may ask, "well, why doesn't God heal all cancer?" Are you joking? "by his stripes, we WERE HEALED" he died and took our illness and sin to hell with him. however, he AROSE! and that my friend, activated something over 2000 years ago, meaning that all we have to do Is claim the healing, receive it! God has already made provision for us, while we were yet sinners. We are to be an example of a enriched body, being spiritually, physically, and mentally. I'm not denying that the cancer is there, IM DENYING ITS RIGHT TO BE THERE! It is when we call upon his name and casting out these things, that thy kindom Comes and thy will is done ON EARTH, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. IS cancer in heaven? NO! Then why do we consider cancer as a blessing from God? He receives the glory and the honor and the power, forever and ever! because God only thinks good things towards us, not evil....wow!
This far I could say word...
Quote from: ecliptik on February 13, 2008, 04:02:38 PM
I should become a minister! lol
If God chooses you...so far use what you had learned from bible...we all can be PRIVATE ministers...to some one!
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godlovesmaggots
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 14, 2008, 11:31:54 AM »
Quote from: ecliptik on February 13, 2008, 04:02:38 PM
Yes it's true that God created all things, and that includes Cancer, unfortunately.
you may ask, "well, why doesn't God heal all cancer?" Are you joking? "by his stripes, we WERE HEALED" he died and took our illness and sin to hell with him. however, he AROSE! and that my friend, activated something over 2000 years ago, meaning that all we have to do Is claim the healing, receive it! God has already made provision for us, while we were yet sinners. We are to be an example of a enriched body, being spiritually, physically, and mentally. I'm not denying that the cancer is there, IM DENYING ITS RIGHT TO BE THERE! It is when we call upon his name and casting out these things, that thy kindom Comes and thy will is done ON EARTH, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. IS cancer in heaven? NO! Then why do we consider cancer as a blessing from God? He receives the glory and the honor and the power, forever and ever! because God only thinks good things towards us, not evil....wow!
Basically, what I understand you to be saying is that you think that any Christian who has any illness is either lacking faith or not claiming all that God has for them. Is that right? So, how does a truly faithful Christian die? Suddenly and peacefully, in his/her sleep?
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 14, 2008, 01:54:00 PM »
^ That may be a fine derivative based solely on what he wrote here, but I think you're misrepresenting him on the fact that sometimes God doesn't heal, and we can't control that.
And the whole thing I was getting at here is a bit of ecliptik said. The attitude of not accepting sickness, of waring against it and never letting it become something that's welcome in our presence. I understand that sickness may never leave... but I never want to it to be welcome either. Know what I mean?
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 14, 2008, 03:13:28 PM »
sure, God allows things to happen, according to His will, not ours. However, What Jesus is showing in his word, is that we CAN do something. Didn't he not say that "these things, miracles that I do, you can do, even greater!, and MORE!"? Im not saying that you have to know these things to be a christian, Im just saying that there are people like myself that God reveals these things to us, to share to others, so they can be blessed too.There is just alot of hidden details that Jesus points out in his word, and it constantly grows within us. Thats why the word is ALIVE! with POWER! Amen!
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"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose"
-Romans 8:28
"Sing unto HIM a new song: Play Skillfully with a loud noise" -Psalms 33:3
EZ47.12
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Re: Why so much cancer? Honestly.
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February 14, 2008, 11:58:33 PM »
Ezekiel 47.12 Revelation 22.2 Ezekiel 20
also some believe body ph ties in. as doug stated we ingest some pretty far out stuff, most without the faith to back it up(Mark 16:18), just sincere ignorance/indifference. This only accounts for how the natural is concerned of course. God instructs us that his people perishes for a lack of knowledge. We have brilliant physicians, but maybe they are that which are. "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2Timothy3:7
But beyond all of this: 'My grace is suffcient for thee: For in my strength made perfect in weakness."
Also, just throwin it out there. In my early youth in the 'scene' I ingested known carciongens for 'enlightenment' and 'pleasure'. As some may of here. That's why i share detox tips. Like Clay and Kelp(a seaweed). or Christ and King(i like to associate biblical acronyms with herbal suggestions. Whole-istic Medicine, eh?)
Cheers
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