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« Reply #135 on: April 26, 2008, 03:55:09 PM »
I agree danking!
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« Reply #136 on: April 26, 2008, 05:18:46 PM »
New promos for this coming week's episode is teasing the idea that the island will take one of the survivors. Someone's gonna die!  Shocked
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« Reply #137 on: April 26, 2008, 05:38:43 PM »
Quote from: danking on April 26, 2008, 11:04:19 AM
So, the most interesting comment of the episode, for me, was when Whitmore says to Ben, "I know what you are" (or was is "who you are").  Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole show re-centers on Ben and he ends up being the "good guy / hero" of the entire story arch.  Kinda like finding out that Star Wars was all about Darth Vader rather than Luke Skywalker.

I wondered a bit about that a while ago. But I didn't really consider it seriously. It was more of a comment to my wife like "Wouldn't it be really twisted if Ben actually was the good guy?"

Anybody else start to wonder whether Penelope's reason for looking for the island is really as noble as it seems? When Desmond told her that he was going to call her on Christmas Eve in a few years, that might've given her the idea that finding Desmond in the future will lead her back to Daddy's island so that he can get it back from Ben.
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« Reply #138 on: April 26, 2008, 06:49:25 PM »
Sure, Ben's the good guy.

What has he been saying throughout the series?

"We're the good guys."

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« Reply #139 on: April 26, 2008, 06:57:00 PM »
I've been on the "Ben is a good guy" bandwagon for about a year now. Although he did deserve that beating Jack gave him.
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« Reply #140 on: April 26, 2008, 07:13:17 PM »
When you look at how many people Ben and The Others have killed, then look at how many the Oceanic 815'ers have killed; it's much easier to question which side we should be rooting for.
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« Reply #141 on: April 27, 2008, 06:11:30 AM »
Quote from: john.christian on April 26, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
When you look at how many people Ben and The Others have killed, then look at how many the Oceanic 815'ers have killed; it's much easier to question which side we should be rooting for.

That is if you leave out that whole Darma massacre thing. Wink
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« Reply #142 on: April 27, 2008, 07:52:03 AM »
I agree, I think Ben is a 'damaged hero' archetype. Wink
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« Reply #143 on: April 27, 2008, 10:49:37 AM »
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on April 27, 2008, 06:11:30 AM
Quote from: john.christian on April 26, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
When you look at how many people Ben and The Others have killed, then look at how many the Oceanic 815'ers have killed; it's much easier to question which side we should be rooting for.

That is if you leave out that whole Darma massacre thing. Wink

Oops. Yeah.

Well I was thinking as far as 815 vs. Others. My idea came from the Season 3 Finale where Ben has Tom and some Others fake killing Jin, Sayid and James; then Hurley plows over the Others with the Microbus.
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« Reply #144 on: April 27, 2008, 10:56:11 AM »
Quote from: Matthew Risher on April 27, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
I agree, I think Ben is a 'damaged hero' archetype. Wink

Ben is indeed a damaged hero.

An "Anti-Hero" type, like the Punisher.
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« Reply #145 on: April 28, 2008, 11:17:10 AM »
Quote from: john.christian on April 27, 2008, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on April 27, 2008, 06:11:30 AM
Quote from: john.christian on April 26, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
When you look at how many people Ben and The Others have killed, then look at how many the Oceanic 815'ers have killed; it's much easier to question which side we should be rooting for.

That is if you leave out that whole Darma massacre thing. Wink

Oops. Yeah.

Well I was thinking as far as 815 vs. Others. My idea came from the Season 3 Finale where Ben has Tom and some Others fake killing Jin, Sayid and James; then Hurley plows over the Others with the Microbus.

I figured that was what you meant. I just had to nitpick. Grin

Yeah, in 815 vs. Others, there have been many more casualties on the Others' side. In fact, at least 3 of the 815 deaths were at the hands of their own (Ana Lucia and Lily--Michael wasn't told to kill them--and Shannon--though her death was accidental). I'm trying to think of any of the 815 gang that were actually killed by The Others. I thought there were some, but I'm drawing a blank.
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« Reply #146 on: April 28, 2008, 02:29:27 PM »
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on April 28, 2008, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: john.christian on April 27, 2008, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: godlovesmaggots on April 27, 2008, 06:11:30 AM
Quote from: john.christian on April 26, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
When you look at how many people Ben and The Others have killed, then look at how many the Oceanic 815'ers have killed; it's much easier to question which side we should be rooting for.

That is if you leave out that whole Darma massacre thing. Wink

Oops. Yeah.

Well I was thinking as far as 815 vs. Others. My idea came from the Season 3 Finale where Ben has Tom and some Others fake killing Jin, Sayid and James; then Hurley plows over the Others with the Microbus.

I figured that was what you meant. I just had to nitpick. Grin

Yeah, in 815 vs. Others, there have been many more casualties on the Others' side. In fact, at least 3 of the 815 deaths were at the hands of their own (Ana Lucia and Lily--Michael wasn't told to kill them--and Shannon--though her death was accidental). I'm trying to think of any of the 815 gang that were actually killed by The Others. I thought there were some, but I'm drawing a blank.

Boone was an accidental death by Locke as well.

There's the unnamed deaths (whose number escapes me at the moment) by The Others at the hand of Ethan Rom and Goodwin Stanhope.
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« Reply #147 on: April 28, 2008, 02:41:29 PM »
Quote from: john.christian on April 28, 2008, 02:29:27 PM
Boone was an accidental death by Locke as well.

I didn't mention Boone because Locke only talked him into trying to get up to the plane. So Locke wasn't directly responsible.
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« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2008, 02:55:45 PM »
Yes, but practically everyone held Locke responsible for it.
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« Reply #149 on: April 29, 2008, 07:03:37 AM »
Not me! Grin laugh
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