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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2005, 07:28:05 AM »
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mostly the "approved" and leadership of TF. while there are leaders of TF,i guess it sounds like a church or something like that. like we have to approve of things before we can act. i definatly think small groups would be awesome, but on a very casual setting. more of a way to make our members better at producing, djing whatever. it would also have some studies and that stuff, but less.
im not really sure about it... i guess small groups would be good, but on a less formal basis and less accountablity.
personally, my accountablity goes to strong Christians in my church who i trust. if that happens in that group great, but to start a group and just expect people to be accountable to each other in that setting, with people that may be new.

Totally agree.  I think the concern is that Tastyfresh isn't the vatican or the pope or something over everyone.

I think the small groups being committed to and under the authority of a church in their area is a superb idea though.
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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2005, 07:36:53 AM »
BTW, I do think TF should be the "hub" of these groups, but I think they should remain independent as far as leadership goes. Those who are local will know their scene better. TF should be the communication hub and "force that binds" for these groups. Does that make sense?

In a lot of ways, I'm thinking that it's time for DJ404's dream of groove fellowships to take off. (Need to get him here to talk about it.) I'd actually like to call them: Tastyfresh Groove Fellowships. That's just me talking though.
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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2005, 08:02:57 AM »
Quote from: Dancechapel on June 06, 2005, 07:21:39 AM
We don't save people, we just plant the seed and Jesus saves them if they turn to him.  In the case of this story, the guy didn't get saved at the rave, but the seed was planted there and the words wouldn't live his head until weeks/months later he accepted Jesus.  If not for the article we might not have even known.  Our job is to tell people about Jesus, love on them, pray with them, share with them, and as long as we are obedient than it is a success.


There are basically 3 parts to saving ppl (as far as what we can do)
1) Sow - Plant the seeds of the gospel
2) Cultivate - encourage people to explore the possibility that it really is true and trustworthy
3) Reap - Close the deal. This would also mean getting the person connected with some body of believers on a regular basis for further growth.
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« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2005, 11:36:01 AM »
Quote from: redsavior on June 06, 2005, 07:36:53 AM
BTW, I do think TF should be the "hub" of these groups, but I think they should remain independent as far as leadership goes. Those who are local will know their scene better. TF should be the communication hub and "force that binds" for these groups. Does that make sense?

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2005, 03:49:19 PM »
reds: that is essentially on the money. when rish talked about TF leadership, it kinda threw bells. TF being a hub saying "hey guys, we are going to be going to this club, or we are going to have an event here" is a really good idea. Using TF as a hub for information sharing is perfect. isnt that what the internet was created for?
carey: i definatly rejoice for that one dude, and i thank God for all the others. i also know that man people are saved or planted the seed at events by us and so forth, yet no one mentions them. the last one was the guy from korn and its sparked a debate on why we are putting so much emphisis on him. all im saying is that many seeds are being planted and many seeds are growing, and a few are sprouting but i have heard nothing of it. when you have a guy saved because of your show, post it. the Bible says we shoudl rejoice together. we cant do that unless people know! i want to hear abotu people being saved, i want to know that the work we are trying to do day by day is paying off. i say that it seems TF hasnt been effective as a ministry because we havnt heard these things. know what i mean??
(NOTE: not bashing anyone here for not posting or not even getting anyone to Christ. i myself have only talked about Christ to a few non Christians. i spend more of my time advising other Christians. thats how God made me. i would definatly love to spread teh Gospel more though.)
so in conclusion: lets rejoice for the saved!!
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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2005, 11:10:59 PM »
Saryn - No hard feelings man, I just get pretty passionate about this stuff.  We certianly aren't perfect yet and have lots of room for improvement, but the flip side is what we have done so far has had results and has not been futile.

I've posted about 2 of the people who listen to my radio show and accepted Jesus in the past, but haven't posted about the third as it happened around a time I just needed to take a break from Tasty for a bit.

This guy started listening to the show regularly a ways back and was clearly not a Christian, which is not surprising since a large percentage of my listeners aren't and it is not a Christian station.  He loves dance music, and aside from the internet or CDs my show is the only thing in this area that plays good electronic music.  There is one other show, but it is very underground, minimal, and experimental.

He kept listening and requesting stuff every week, and then I recently re-aired and AJ Mora interview I did around the time that "Soul of a DJ" came out a few years back, and AJ shared about his music and Jump and lots of fun stuff, and at the end he asked permission to speak his mind and I told him he could say anything he wanted so he hammered the Gospel!  We got a lot of huge response to it when it was live, so I figured we'd try again with a re-air.

This guy heard it and came down and wanted to check out AJ's Music and CDs and stuff because he really loved the interview.  I played a few tracks off soul of a DJ for him and he was loving it and jumping around and stuff.  He ended up sticking around and talking to me for awhile that night and gradually started coming down to visit week after week.

I knew he wasn't a Christian and tried to share with him now and again, and he really wasn't interested so I didn't push, but just shared when I could.

One time he came down and was upset because some guys from his fraternity had taken one of the brothers out for his birthday to Deja Vu (A local strip club) and he couldn't go because he had to work.  When he got home he found his wallet missing and was freaking out that they might be spending all his money there and he had no way to stop them but just had to wait for them to come back to town and see what was up.

I asked him to let me pray with him about it and he did, so we did and he ended up not losing any money which was a cool.  He was more open to sharing after that and we continued to just talk about life and movies and listen to music together with me sharing here and there when I could.  He disappeared for spring break and I didn't see him for a little while after that, but I ran into him at a store and he told me he had accepted Jesus as his savior and he was super pumped about serving God.  He had checked out my website and had bought a few faith massive albums, Cloud2Ground, and some other stuff and he still loves listening to the show, and he has also found the Electric Circus through the links on my site and listens to that on Saturday Nights as well (TRAITOR!! Smiley )  laugh

He's even been handing out Bible's on the college campus and has been active in a Bible Study that another guy on Campus is running. 
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« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2005, 12:02:37 AM »
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BTW, I do think TF should be the "hub" of these groups, but I think they should remain independent as far as leadership goes.

That's cool, that's the main issue.  I think we could all benefit by working together in a more concentrated effort, but without trying to dictate what others have to do.

An example of this might be like Fusion and Club Worship - Obviously two different ministries with two different target groups and callings but both groups of Christians working in the dance scene.

Club Worship is more focused on leading Christian kids and any unsaved who show up into Worshiping God through the vehicle of Electronic Music.  Their music tends to be very overt lyrically and very much Christ Focused and uplifting the name of Jesus in a Worship filled atmosphere target at believers uniting in Worship to God.

Fusion tends to be more of an outreach to kids in the Florida area and be a fun and safe dance party thrown by Christians, but not necessarily very overt, but more of regular tunes you might hear anywhere (clean ones) with Christian Tunes and stuff mixed in and big names like Stryke, Noel Sanger, and Jason Dunne brought in for shows.  I think they do hand out evangelical literature and stuff, but the main focus is having a good time and building relationships.

Since I have never been to either ministry, please forgive me if I have misrepresented either one in any way, but this is my understanding of them from reading about them in mags, and posts on the boards.

The danger I would see with Tasty being in leadership or authority over either one, or for either one to demand how the other ministry to function would be that they both perform different functions and are important ministries.  Different parts of the same body.  Not saying Tasty would do that, or that either ministry would, but that's the kind of uneasiness I have about it because we all play different roles and one size, or one method, does not fit all.

That aside I realize these two ministries are in different states, but if they were nearby each other I could see them working together as Fusion being the funnel to attract seekers and introduce them to Jesus, and Club Worship could be the place at the end of the funnel where they get planted and discipled and learn to Worship God in a medium they are comfortable with and begin to fellowship with other believers.

Both ministries could keep doing what they are doing, but compliment each other in that way.

We spend a lot of time saying "It should be this way!" instead of thinking how the differences might work together pretty well.

We don't have to stop what we are doing or change our mission or methods so much as we could learn how to step out of our comfort zones and start working together.  Like an underground artist could keep making underground music as their main focus, but maybe once every six months make a radio friendly track for The Electric Circus in their spare time or something.  Basically keep doing your ministry, but also make an effort to somehow augment another's even if they are targeting a different group than you.

I think we could have some really cool synergy and collabs if we started thinking outside of the box a little!
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« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2005, 05:07:57 AM »
Interesting reading, yeah I agree with most points made.

I think the unity that we once had in the 90's has somehow slipped. There are of course plenty of reasons why this has happened but I think that we really need to pray for a greater unity and peace in our scene. We need to pray for motivation and direction and networking also. Being a producer from the UK I used to speak to a few like minded producers and dj's here but I aslo used to speak with producers and dj's in the US who I loved to network and chat with as it offered me great feedback on tunes and enthusiasm.

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« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2005, 06:08:50 AM »
Quote from: Dancechapel on June 07, 2005, 12:02:37 AM
The danger I would see with Tasty being in leadership or authority over either one, or for either one to demand how the other ministry to function would be that they both perform different functions and are important ministries.  Different parts of the same body.  Not saying Tasty would do that, or that either ministry would, but that's the kind of uneasiness I have about it because we all play different roles and one size, or one method, does not fit all.

Well, that's exactly what I want to try to avoid. Ultimately, these "groove fellowships" are going to have to react to local conditions. What TF says won't ness. be what is needed there or even effective. The strenght in basing these groups out from TF is that they will have a place they can:

1) Find common base instructions on how to START (not maintain, group, act, etc...) a local community.
2) A place to share and discuss their struggles and successes in forming that community.
3) A place they can send people to (like churches) who may need to more information about these fellowships and the dance scene in general.
4) They will build off the reputation of TF and make the groups seem more "legit"
5) Allow us as a "scene" to start as many communities as possible within a short period of time.
6) I could go on.

Building things with TF as a central information sharing and community/support hub, not a controlling point just makes sense. Local churches and the group leadership should decide HOW they will minister to the community.

Quote from: Dancechapel on June 07, 2005, 12:02:37 AM
We spend a lot of time saying "It should be this way!" instead of thinking how the differences might work together pretty well.

We don't have to stop what we are doing or change our mission or methods so much as we could learn how to step out of our comfort zones and start working together.  Like an underground artist could keep making underground music as their main focus, but maybe once every six months make a radio friendly track for The Electric Circus in their spare time or something.  Basically keep doing your ministry, but also make an effort to somehow augment another's even if they are targeting a different group than you.

I think we could have some really cool synergy and collabs if we started thinking outside of the box a little!

You're right, we should not ness. say it should be our way or the highway. The only time I would change that position is if we know the groups are NOT living up to God's call as christians... even then, their local church support needs to do that not TF.

Beyond that, yes... we need to think outside of the box right now. Unfortunatly, either the box is so big that we are lost in it trying to figure out what to do or it is so small that we can't help but be outside of it and wandering around looking for the box. Wink

BTW, my box model is this: when you step out of the box to think, you have simply stepped into a bigger one b/c you only have new limits and constraints on your thinking. Nobody truly has an open mind. Smiley

We should become that body Paul was talking about. Right now though, most of us are simply stem cells.
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« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2005, 06:09:20 AM »
Quote from: ikondance on June 07, 2005, 05:07:57 AM
Interesting reading, yeah I agree with most points made.

I think the unity that we once had in the 90's has somehow slipped. There are of course plenty of reasons why this has happened but I think that we really need to pray for a greater unity and peace in our scene. We need to pray for motivation and direction and networking also. Being a producer from the UK I used to speak to a few like minded producers and dj's here but I aslo used to speak with producers and dj's in the US who I loved to network and chat with as it offered me great feedback on tunes and enthusiasm.

Paul (ikon)

FULLY agree.
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« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2005, 06:43:03 AM »
im starting to agree with the way it looks.
1: use TF as a hub. this doesnt mean that TF controls how each grou ministers. each group needs to determine that at a local lvl. what works in UK wont work here etc.
2: definatly need the support of local churchs. i know vineyards are generally great about that. they need to be there to take over after people accept Christ or decide they want to know more.
3: ...i cant think of anything else now... brain is fried. post more later...
PS. i may be mistaken, but it seems as if we are trying to figure out the future role of TF. anyone agree?
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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2005, 07:44:34 AM »
That's exactly it Saryn. That's exactly it. TF is not supposed to be a simple social club or a simple hub of information. It is to be a network of believers that helps to encourage and guide. Right now, it's not really doing either.
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« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2005, 08:48:26 AM »
I think we've all agreed that having tastyfresh.com be in any sort of leadership role is not going to work. I think some people have taken what was a brainstorm to me, and have suddenly made it out as if I think it's God's will. That's not the case. What I do think is that small groups in a localized sense could really help to get some things moving, and I do think that a group like this needs to be in submission to a pastor and a church. That is God's desire for this type of thing... otherwise we leave ourselves open to rebellion. These groups just need to be in submission to the type of pastor who isn't caught up in legalistic bullcrap and will be open to actually hearing the voice of God, not the voice of doctrine and 45 year old paranoid mommies.

As far as tastyfresh's role, in my little idea, it should be a place for these "small groups" to network. But then we could move away from bickering about stuff and take that to our small groups, where we really CAN discuss things and hash out differences to find unity in Christ.

On a completely side note, something in this quote really got under my skin.

Quote from: Dancechapel on June 07, 2005, 12:02:37 AM
We don't have to stop what we are doing or change our mission or methods so much as we could learn how to step out of our comfort zones and start working together.  Like an underground artist could keep making underground music as their main focus, but maybe once every six months make a radio friendly track for The Electric Circus in their spare time or something.  Basically keep doing your ministry, but also make an effort to somehow augment another's even if they are targeting a different group than you.

I just don't understand where that came from. The Electric Circus IS for underground artists, as much as it is for commercial artists. I enjoy playing Andy Hunter and Avalon Remixes just as much as I enjoy playing music from many of the underground artists right here on tastyfresh. The mentality behind the show is to do both. I do not want or need radio edits for The Electric Circus, because I mix it, like a real mix DJ, I need long tracks. The only time I personally want a radio edit is when it's a song like "Lifelight" by Andy Hunter, with a very clear cut verse and chorus with vocals, that can be played on a top-40 style format.

I didn't mean to jump down your throaght on that post Carey, but I do need to make sure everyone here understands what I am trying to do with my radio show. I think what you were trying to say with that part of your post was very important.

The goal of Electric Circus is to combine the commercial with the underground, but I don't need or want radio edits for it. I just want people to write the music they are comfortable with and send it to me to play. The way people could augment their ministries is to branch out and write a song that is:

 - 3 min 30 sec long
 - written so that a vocalist can sing verses and choruses with a top-40 sound to it

That's how people can augment their ministries as far as writing music goes. I wouldn't play it on The Electric Circus (unless they did a longer club remix). What I would do is, if the song was good, play it on RadioU full time, during regular rotation (which is going to get you more spins than The Electric Circus and generate more awareness, WHICH IS WHY I HARP ON IT ALL OF THE TIME!)
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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2005, 08:51:15 AM »
Fair warning... I'm starting a new forum sometime today and I will spilt this discussion off (leaving the AH voting issue here) and move it to the new board.

Let's seriously get this going. We need some Groove Fellowships.
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« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2005, 08:54:46 AM »
Quote from: redsavior on June 07, 2005, 06:08:50 AM
1) Find common base instructions on how to START (not maintain, group, act, etc...) a local community.
2) A place to share and discuss their struggles and successes in forming that community.
3) A place they can send people to (like churches) who may need to more information about these fellowships and the dance scene in general.
4) They will build off the reputation of TF and make the groups seem more "legit"
5) Allow us as a "scene" to start as many communities as possible within a short period of time.
6) I could go on.

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And what saryn added in his post is right on target too. It sounds like we're coming close to figuring something great out. Smiley
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