real quick....

Carey, I know about the context thing on the scripture I quoted. The reason why I picked that one to counter is that I feel the one you picked did not apply as justification. I never said we shouldn't create a xian homebase, I question what that homebase should look like. I don't think it should look ANYTHING like the CCM fan base for example. The model I keep coming back to is what say Tooth and Nail has created; a  blend of secular and christians working together, but the very foundation is Christ. Yes, we need people in churches, we should have events in churches, but the goal should not be to create a duplicate scene seperate from the secular one.

As far as the questions go that I'm asking, those are the ones you, me, Rish, and the rest of TF NEED to collectively discuss and come to some agreement on. It will be essential to our "growth".

Hey Saryn

Check this out:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/cl/2004/001/5.39.html

Rish, most of what you said is good. Small, local groups are the way to build. That's what I've been (slowly) trying to get at over the past year or so (apparently in a VERY ineffective way). I do think that we need some "national" goals however. These should not countermand the local goals and I'm not talking about setting TF up as say the Pope.

This is what I had tried to do in atlanta last year with Doug. It didn't work out at the time due to well... time for the most part. Doug, Nullset, and I were basically the leaders of it although none of us actually said who was ultimatly "incharge" The parties we threw at my place were great. We were able to have the spiritual discussions we can't here (like I said... in person is just better). We also had time to share new music and to occasionally show off some skillz on the decks. Fun stuff.

So... yeah... small local house parties are the thing right now for us.

read it, but that is one. as far as a real ministry goes, i would call it inneffective on a larger scale. not completely because a person was saved. but if we are saying ministry, then there should be more then a single person saved. especcially with as many peopel as we have here.

rish, personally i dont like that idea. in my mind it brings thoughts of a TF cult or something.
rish, you go to the columbus vineyard? i went there a few years back for a vineyard youth conferance. was awesome. matt redman was the worship leader. awesome.

donno man.. i just generally got a bad vibe about it. im not saying small groups arent great, i definatly think they are. i have had some of the best prayer times and times of healing with just one other guy.
but i just got a bad vibe about it.... i dont even really know why... ill reread your post again and see if i can put my figer on it.

The individuals who attend on a regular basis will naturally make up the leadership of these groups. The specifics would be up to each group, but this "small group" should NEVER take the place of church membership or guidance. I would think of it more as a multi-denominational faith-based group. Wordy, but that will describe it more accurately. I think there needs to be an aspect of music to these groups as well as some sort of prayer time and bible study... so even my "house party" suggestion doesn't totallly communicate what I mean

yeah, I don't think Rish was saying we should start our own churches.

I do think there is room for INCLUDING churches though.

That was one example, not the only person ever saved.  There are many more.   

Ask Kevin Coffman about some of the kids saved at his events, or some of the Christians who rededicated.

Ask AJ Mora, or Sheltershed.

I've seen 2-3 people come to the Lord while listening to my radio show, and have been able to share with many more.

Ask Doug Ross, Andy Hunter, Steve Jeffrey, Lee Jackson, and all the people who are in this for ministry and they do have stories to tell.  Look at NGM or 24-7 Prayer.

It's even counted as a success in my book when Andy Hunter is able to share with DJ Tiesto or Shiloh & Mint are able to share with the people they interact with in the scene even if they don't accept Jesus on the spot, the seed was still planted.

We don't save people, we just plant the seed and Jesus saves them if they turn to him.  In the case of this story, the guy didn't get saved at the rave, but the seed was planted there and the words wouldn't live his head until weeks/months later he accepted Jesus.  If not for the article we might not have even known.  Our job is to tell people about Jesus, love on them, pray with them, share with them, and as long as we are obedient than it is a success.

I'd probably agree that there aren't as many as you'd expect from a group of this size, but there are way more than one or two people, and I'm not sure that's the focus of everyone here.

I don't tend to look at it as a Tastyfresh thing anyway, so much as some of the believers who are actively sharing in the Christian Dance Scene and happen to hang out at Tasty once in a while, if even that.  I think Aj mora has posted on here twice in the entire time that Tasty has existed.

My comments about a "home" aren't just about the Tastyfresh boards as much as they are about the entire Christian Dance Scene.  We tend to think of Tasty as the whole scene, but really there are quite a few more people out there who don't interact with Tasty.  People in groups like the one Rish described.

We see new people show up here everday so we should realize that, but for some reason we don't.

At any rate I'm speaking of the entire Christian Dance Scene and not just Tasty.  If you look at that there really is ministry going on in parts of it and it does bear the amount of fruit it should.

That doesn't mean we can't improve, but it sure does mean we aren't a useless/fruitless ministry.