Ok guys i really want to hear your feelings behind this. you already know my thoughts and Dave's (whos opinions I do respect) but this isn't about either of us or really even you. This is for God and I want to know how many of you would like to be associated with a alliance or listing if you will, of EDM artists / Producers who are labeled as CHRISTIAN. No other word but CHRISTIAN. Please understand this in no way would be formed in compitition with Tastyfresh or anyone elses sites. This will be wholey seperate and stand alone but with ties back to all existing Christian EDM sites. This will basically be a very simply site with 3 categories of listings one for DJ's, Producers, and Promoters. Divided accordingly with links back to your respective hompages and maybe sometime a small profile. Also, I will provide each memeber with their own email address or forward with their name @acdpp.org and maybe a monthly newsletter.

 This would be something that grows overtime and doesn't require any work or effort on your part at all. It's simply a place to put your name, stating I AM A CHRISTIAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC ARTIST. This will also serve as a source of extra FREE TRAFFIC back to your site and this one as well.

please let me know your thoughts...

sorry to reply to my own post  ??? but I just want to stress the fact that to be part of this it will only require 2 things from you.

#1.) That you are a Christian and your music / work / life reflects that.
#2.) That you email or PM me stating you want to be on the list.

thats it and you'd be done. I'll take care of the rest.

Just wanted to clarify...

 :smiley34: edited

well Chris has been working on something like this for awhile.  Make a site of list or DJs, producers, and promoters.

http://www.assemblyofgroove.com/

He had it up for awhile and adding to it, I think he's reworking it right now.  With your webiste skills you could hook up with him, cause I know he's busting with ideas.

hey man thanks for the reply, im totally aware and 100% supportive of AOG. I have the utmost repsect for Chris and I'm proud to be part of the CTF family. I just feel strongly from the Lord that we need something with Christ's name in it. Assembly of Groove is an awsome name and i've sent many a person to the site but I'm in a place now where locally at my own church and in the cities I live near I'm having the oppurtunity to tell others about Christian Electronic Music and I really think they need to hear something with Gods name in the title...thats all. I really do like the name Assembly of Groove its very creative but I have to do what I feel the Lord is telling me to do...

Dont we ALL?  :-[

thanks for being postive D!

yeh this would be a rly great thing if its done well. anyway mate clean out ur PM box and i reply to ur PM  8)

haha wow didnt know it was full. dang i must be popular... :laugh: either that or lazy  :o

hehe its cleaned out now.

I'm all for representing Christ, but yeah...I can see this is a bit redundant already with AoG and TF already doing this. TastyFresh even says, right in the logo, "Christ-Centered DJ Culture". What more do you want bro?

nothing more then a list. quick and easy for someone to read. not everyone wants to search through a huge forum to find out whos a Christian DJ but a simple ABC list of DJ, Name, Genre, Site...that doesnt exist as of now. Especially, not with Gods name in it. I mean, if I created such a site right now and all you had to do to have your name and info on it was to say..."hey rodimus add me to the list!" wouldnt you want to be on it?  free, extra promotion and traffic for you with no downside...its not out to make money nor will it cost anything. its just for God's glory and to be a usefull search tool for new Christian EDM listeners.

Dude...I get it. Sign me up! 8)

Ill be on the list! What the big deal people? Afraid to think outside the box???  ;) If other lists do exist why havent i seen them, been asked to be on it, etc??? Nate hit me up right away asking if i was interested to be on the list.

i also dont understand what i have read in peoples replys to the idea... like hes trying to make a site to compete with TF. you are obvoiusly NOT reading it all the way through. Its a simple and good idea to see who and what is out there, and whos in it for Christ.

TF is a great site! i love it.. BUT if you looking for say a DJ for a party, or producer for an idea on a track how can you tell who is who and what is what on here/ (from the out side looking in)

great! your on it.  8)

thanks for the support man! it means a lot. i feel in my heart that we need this and again...this will be side-by-side with other sites and will only help strengthen them as well. im certianly not leaving tf or anything like that...i cant ...im addicted to this stupid site  ;D plus u guys are like a family now to me and it hurts when some don't understand what I'm saying...thats done and over with now and its time to get started. gonna get the domain right now.  8)

kevin coffman once did this.  can't remember how successful it was :smiley1:


doug theodore

well, i guess thats probably an indication that i didnt work if its not around anymore...but thats ok caus i fell led by God to do this now. maybe the timing was an issue before who knows...so im guessing that www.dougtheodore.com will be one of the new listings?  ;)

I think it would be a good idea as far as extra website traffic and promotion and that type of thing and with your promotion/website skills I am sure it would be a cool site....I catch your vision....doesn't tastyfresh.com already have a music:artists links that are here already....I guess that is where you and Dave disagree on who should be on it....anywaz.....I think it's a good idea.  Go for it!

thanks man! got you on the list. send me detailed info if you want or i can use your info from your tf profile.

Sounds good to me.

what do you want from me? a 'yes'?

If so:

YES!

 ;D

well a yes sir would be nice ???

JK your on the list

btw i just setup the domain and will start work tomorrow so things are moving forward quickly

well I coming on the end of these conversations but I was at work.  My original statement still stands, I feel like I'm on the outside and looking in and seeing both views clearly.

My view from here, rodimus, is that you say you're not in competition but when Chris first started Assembly of Groove one of its main things is a list like you're wanting to start.

.....

Well now since you want to start you're own, I'm seeing people jumping on the bandwagon and eventually see Chris's idea go up in smoke.  Dave has been writing on unity and I'm not seeing it right now.  I would like to see, like I stated originally, you and Chris collab.  He wants help for the site, you're good at that.

If you're concerned with people not thinking the list is christians, then Chris should consider a mission statement on the home page, if he doesn't have one already.  Right before he took it down for a remodel it was hosting a list, links to other christian EDM resources and online pastor.  How can that not say its about Jesus.  Tastyfresh when you first see it, the header says "Christ-Centered DJ Culture."  You know it says something about assembling ourselves together as the body of Christ, well Assembly represents that and Groove represents what we do in EDM, just a thought there.

I just see if your version of the site goes up, chris's aog is gonna die unless he reworks it for something else.  Just seems like some of our friends have ideas and not enough of us back them up.

this is just my heart felt answer to you and view of the situation.  If you go ahead and make it, add me to the list cause I'm also on Assembly of Groove too.

dun, i have every intention of working with chris. as a matter of fact i called him tonight and spoke to his wife becuase he was sleeping. i will be talking to him in the morning. i dont think theres going to be a problem. i plan on working with him on it from the start. but it seem to me that he has about 10 projects going that he doesnt have time to finish and who could blame him. this is something i can do. this is something ive been told to do, ive prayed about it and gotten about 30 private pms in support. i have to move forward... please dont worry about AOG. i will talk to chris about it and work with him every step of the way.

all, i just want to clarify that im not going to be doing any work on this project until Chris in onboard. the last thing im trying to do is divide ppl because off something stupid. i have no intention of doing that. im just trying to do what I fell God is telling me to do.

thanks.

But... why is He telling you to do it elsewhere? As I said, it could be done here, if you get the right people to support it. It would save you some headaches and get you immediate traffic plus you would start to fill out other sections of this site that need more content and so on.

You've got more than 6,000 unique ppl looking at this site already. With a new site, you won't have any at first.

to be completly honest man, as to why? you'd have to ask Him. personally, I have enough things on my plate right now without taking this on but theres one thing that I've been learning over the last 6 months or so and that is when God says do something I do it. All this will do is generate more traffic back to TF and to CTF. I plan on have big fat permanant links back to here from there... call it a sister site if you want...whatever. its not for profit at all 0 money will exchange hands. its just for God. there just one more thing that i want to tell you that you may or may not belive...but when i first was given the idea yesterday one of the VERY first thoughts that crossed my mind was ..."oh sweet this will help get TF even more traffic." honestly man i was kinda hurt (which is hard to do) that you even for a second thought i was trying to undermind TF or AOG or take traffic away or COMPETE! why would i ever want to do that. I love this site and everyone on it is my family. im on here more then most people at least 10 hours a day during the work week and i really care about TF and its future.

Nate, and everyone....this is silly.

If Nate wants to make another site with a list on it, I am all for it. I have no problem. We are all different people with different things to offer. As I understand it, Nate's site will be very simple. Mine will be more of a networking and marketing tool. There is nothing to compete or conflict. If anything all these Christian sites should be unified and promote each other. That's why on the front page of CTF there is a small link section promoting sites like Tastyfresh.

And regarding the name Assembly Of Groove, it's more of a church reference than a "cool name". I wanted a cool name that reflected that we are from the church. Assembly is a word that means a gathering of people. Assembly of Groove is wordplay based on the Assembly of God denomination. So that's it. It causes people to ask questions and an opportunity to share my faith.

 hey man i just thought i log in real quick before taking off...im really GLAD that you feel this way and I feel exactly the same! this is all for God and each site should help out the others...working as a team if you will. as for AOG I think its awsome...as I am from Assembly of God for 25 years myself...lets if we can't incorperate the name some how too... ;) chris, i see that your on right now and i have to finish getting ready for work but if your still around in 20 min im gonna call you from the road... God bless ya man...ttys

all, Chris and I just had about an hour long phone conversation and everything thing is cool.  8) so that being said things will begin to move forward quickly. ill post when there is something to see. thanks again for all the support and encouragement gang. im really excited about this project and I believe the Lord is going to bless us all as a result.  ;D

i think he gave it to dave
it worked fine. Kevin just didn't have the time to keep it up anymore.

thanks for the Tastyfresh history lesson  8) ....old man  :laugh:

jk

He didn't give it to me. I think it's either still up or gone. I did talk to Kev about something else the other week. We're supposed to talk again in 2 weeks so if I remember, I'll ask him about it. But... most of the contact info will be flat out wrong.

i ran the listing site "Christronic" about a year or two ago. (maybe longer, i can't remember)  i gave the domain name and site to someone and eventually they stopped updating it.  it was more extensive as far as listing Christian record labels, magazines, clubs etc.

as far as having only one or a few of these kinds of sites, that's dumb.  there should be something for everyone all over the place.  no one should be forced in to one forum board or one online radio station or one anything for that matter.  we all have different tastes.  on that note, someone make a Christian drum and bass / hardcore forum.   :laugh:

heheheh.

well, SOMEONE definitely has the list...and it's hundreds of DJs...

I THINK THIS IS GREAT!!!!! WOOT WOOT AND YEEE HAW!!!!

Send me the info you need in my hubby and I will have it to you post haste-- at that make a banner and I will put it on all the sites I have and the forum that we are in the process of making-- I think its great to have all kinds of flavors out there that way EVERYONE can jive w/ like minded ppl!!! YAY!!! KUDOS TO U BRO!!

hey guys just wanted to give an update here. im currently finishing up doug theodores site and as soon as thats done (hopefully this weekend) i will start work on the list. the domain is already up but nothing there yet. ill post more updates as they are available. thanks again for the support and all the emails.  8)


oh also, i now have a .asp / .net database programmer who is going to donate his time to this project as well. so the site will be database driven with a pretty face ontop.

You can sign me up.

guys just wanted to give an update. this project has not been forgotten about. ive been super slammed with the wedding plans and moving and such but i do have 2 guys now that are gonna write the database for this and i recieved a ton of responses from you guys asking to be put on so this is gonna happen for sure. the domain has been secured as well as the hosting. things will start to move quickly.

Awesome. I'm sorry I bashed the idea earlier. I'd still like to see it here, but I'm slowly realizing that I can't dedicate all the time I need to do EVERYTHING on this site. Even with the staff here, we've got bigger fish to fry right now. I'm glad someone else is taking this on.

its all good man. i plan on hookin this into TF and driving those traffic stats up for ya (-: cuz i have NO desire to run another message board lol. plus we got a good thing here  8)

***UPDATE***

All finally the wedding stuff is over and done with and I can focus on new projects. I have about 1/2 a dozen design contracts going right now for Tranceformed Studios but I'm going to start on this project nevertheless. I'm going to have a temp page up today with a an underconstruction logo then I'm going to start on content next week. I'm going to setup and email address @acdpp.org for you guys to submit your bio info to. At first the site will be html/flash/javascript based but as it grows we will be converting it to a DB format of somesort. Please post any questions you have here  8)

on a side note...i dont plan on having a "labels" section on here...just bios

and I will make sure (as best as possible) that each dj on here is a CHRISTIAN!  8)

in

sounds good  8)

ok guys here's a possible logo i just came up with... i wanted to make it very simple so it coulld go on shirst, hats, etc...

lemme know...honestly

(http://www.transformed.tv/logo1.jpg)

(http://www.transformed.tv/logo2.jpg)

Justice would like it. I'm not sure I'm big on it. I think the thumping sound waves are too much. You just don't need them and when the logo gets reduced down, they will start looking like scratches.  Also, you need a bit more space between the cross and the headphones.

It's almost like a "Jesus is listening" commercial rather than a DJ/Producer is spinning logo. I dunno. What's your base concept for the logo? What is it that you really want to communicate?

yeah i agree on both points the soundswaves might get scratchy but i kinda like them though...not sure i might get rid of them. and after i posted it i noticed the headphones where a little close to the cross so i moved 'em.

i dont want it to be too simple but i do want it clean.  ::)


i want ppl to look at it and think Christian, music (hopefully EDM / DJ) but still keep it simple... im worried without the little waves some might not understand that those are headphones...?

ok heres rev 2.0

(http://www.transformed.tv/rev2.jpg)

EDM fans will get it. The danger you run into is the same with TF. PPl don't look at the rest of the site long enough to realize that it's not about hip-hop.

The Christian aspect might be a bit too blatant and basic to the point of unoriginal since you are using the cross. Maybe try looking into some other symbols used by the early church?

Honestly, I'd be more concerned about ACDPP. That's pretty meaningless to be honest. One nice thing about TF is that it's too words that you don't normally see used together and certainly not with music. You may want to think about that.

yeah i know i may end up having a few differnt easier domain names that link to the main .org... hmm have to think on this.

hmm... what about

www.GodsDJs.com?

then when you get there it says God's DJs, Artists, & Producers...

after calling a few ppl for opinions i decided to buy it!

Alliance of Christian DJ's, Artists, & Producers is now God's DJs www.GodsDJs.com!

im going to modify the logo now to reflect the name change and start a new thread.

I prefer GODs-A2JDJs4CTheAlphaandOmega.com.net.org.ru.nu

but that's just me.

I think that well... that introduces a BUNCH of other issues.

1) I'm thinking Hip-hop.
2) I'm thinking people will really think that's pretentious "Oh... only these guys are 'God's DJs'?" *snicker*
3) I think a lot of people won't sign up with that name b/c it sounds like you are trying to create yet another Christian cultural ghetto that was tried already.

I'd try something more neutral.

edmalliance.com is availible. ;) Let the logo show that it's Christian, but the name will stay neutral so it won't imply assumptions about the group that may not be true. x-edm.com is good too.

Don't rush the identity. This is hugely important.

i'm definitly taking (most) of your advice but I really like the GodsDJs.com and I don't think people will think hip-hop. and oh well if they do! thats why we have <META TAGS>  8) I think the name is really really easy to remember and if someone doesnt want to sign up...well then they dont have to. God or Christ/Christian will be in the name period and I think GodsDJs is catchy... and so do the other that I've talked to about it.

and truthfully if someone has a problem being called one of God's DJs publically then I dont want them to join.

i know the whole idea of tastyfresh is to be a common ground for all types of Christians to come and fellowship and not be offended... but honestly... i dont want a seeker-sensitive site... i want an in your face like it or not. and if it fails oh well... i cost me $8.95 and a few dozen hours of work. im doing this for God... no one else...not money or fame etc... just glory. so I'll let him do with it what he wants.

* i do appreciate your honest feedback though and i will certianly put some of it to use  8)

Well, if you take GodsDJs.com, you may not get some people like Josti for example to sign up because of the way he feels about his faith or labeling himself.

As far as hip-hop goes, I get hip-hop cds sent to me all the time and myspace friend requests. That's despite the fact that no where on this site or myspace's do we say a thing about hip-hop. I think they pick up on "dj" and send stuff out to any group that has dj in it.

I mean, the keywords for TF are:


and boy... do I need to update those!

who's redsavior?  har har har

Oh yeah... regarding the seeker sensitive thingy, I dunno. I think in the case of a db like yours, I would want people to sign up who are Christians. If you only want the ones who are in your face Christians... you'll get them. Ones that rely more on lifestyle evangelism, for example, may not sign up. You have to decide if you want to cut them off.

Ask yourself this: Do you see Kenneth Thomas signing up for this? Do you want people like Kenneth to sign up for this?

actually i really dont want people to sign up unless they are on fire for God or at least willing to say they are. there's nothing wrong with being a baby Christian or not even being as on fire as you should be but if you don't want to be called a Christian...then...

and actually i know Kenneth and I'm pretty sure he'd join but if he doesn't... oh well. No hard feelings.

anyway you look at it..its just extra promotion for you (as a dj)... no effort required to join. just a simple email saying "I want in"...

Pretty subjective and yet exclusive terms there. I think that you will have a lot of people who aren't really of the professionally nature sign up. All I'm saying is take a look at 1) who you really want to sign up and 2) who you expect to read the site. My bet is that you can do this and not have to have a domain name like GodsDJs.com to let ppl know that it's a Christian site.

BTW, I know you know KT, that's why I used him ;)

What I'm taking away from this whole thing is since I'm not an in-your-face Christian,  then I am not on fire for God.  If you're not on fire for God,  then you're not welcome with this project.

Guess I won't be involved in this then...

Nate....Might wanna think long and hard,  because you're seriously risking alienating a lot of people here...

...um ok well then I'll just have to rely on God to bring people in off Google and other places and not rely on TF so much...

guys i just want clarify some things real quick cuz i think we got off base...

#1 GodsDJs.com is not just for the "super onfire" Christians. It's for any DJ who claims to love JESUS (yes this is a requirement) and lives a lifestyle that for the most part reflects the general views of Christians / the Bible.

#2 this is not an elitist members only type thing at all. its for anyone who's willing to say I'm a Christian and a EDM dj. period.

#3 if a "successful dj" doesn't want to be associated with something that labels him as a Christian because he's affraid it will give him a bad image in the secular scene and possibly lose gigs because of it... then HE SHOULDNT BE IN THAT SCENE TO BEGIN WITH.

#4 if someone doesn't wan't to be labeled as a Christian, then don't join our site...as a matter of fact I would really hope and pray that you would seek God with all your heart and pray for a stronger more personal walk with him if you stuggle with being called a Christian.

i hope these verses should serve as a wake-up call / clarification / foundation of what I'm trying to create here.

Mark 8:34-38

 34Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35For whoever wants to save his life[c] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? 37Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 38If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."

what does this have to do with being ashamed of Jesus?  i'm certainly not.  but that doesn't mean its the first thing that comes out of my mouth when i talk to people.  what are people going to learn about Jesus and what he means to me in just one encounter?  God created us for the purpose of RELATIONSHIP, and in that relationship people will gradually learn more about who Jesus is, through relationship with us.  That is what following Jesus means to me, everything outside of that is just how I live my life from day to day.  I don't need to label myself a "christian"  people on the outside should be labeling me according to what they see in my life.  the word "christian" isn't even a "christian" word.  it was a term first coined by people who were observing people who followed what was known as "the way."  the term "christian" isn't the end all be all of our existence.  in fact it means almost nothing in many circles, nothing as in its a void term to describe people in a collective group, much the same way that people call themselves protestant, or catholic.  "christian" is more associated with a lifestyle of the north american  west than it is about following Jesus.  So that is why I don't want to use the term.  not because i'm ashamed of Jesus, but because I'm ashamed of the people who bastardized the term to what it is today, but it in no way reflects who i am in Jesus.

ok well then "Christ-like" if you want to split hairs. Christ-like would be more accurate I suppose.

i dont care what denomination you are as long as you love Jesus you are a Christian. call yourself a purple-elephant if it makes you feel better but if you truely love the Lord then you are a Christian.

anyway this whole discussion is kinda pointless... i've stated what I'm doing and what the Lord has called me to begin and if you don't like it then...

TOUGH
(http://www.anthony-thomas.com/store/images/FancyMixedNuts.jpg)

im not trying to be rude or disrespectful but there has to come a point when enough is enough. I'm doing something for GOD. are you (not aimed at anyone in particular) trying to stand in the way? if not then let it be. be at peace...dont speak a word and no one will try to force you to join anything. but those who are interested will be welcomed in openly. I've already recived 1/2 pms and spoken to 5 TFer's on the phone today that were all really excited so I think you guys are UNDERESTIMATING the people on this forum. but whatever. I will always link back to here and promote TF no matter what... I would hope TF will always do the same seeing as how this has become a 2nd family for me and I'm on here like 14 hours a day  8)

Joel, just for future reference so you aren't mis-informed about the orgin of the word Christian here's the some passages direct from the Word (please understand I'm not posting this to try to show you up or anything this is a genuine concern I have that I want to make sure others aren't confused...)

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
Acts 26:28
Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"
Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
Colossians 3:18
[ Rules for Christian Households ] Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Colossians 3:17-19 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter)
1 Peter 4:12
[ Suffering for Being a Christian ] Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.
1 Peter 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

and this is my favorite:

1 Peter 4:16
However, if you suffer as a  :hug:Christian :hug:, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.
1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)


these are just a few of the many times that the word / term Christian is found in God's Word. so actually... it is VERY CHRISTIAN to call yourself a CHRISTIAN if you infact are a follower of JESUS.

Does calling it "christian" denote quality to you?  Who is your audience?  Was Paul a christian, or a christian tent maker?   I'm VERY aware of Acts Chapter 11 and have been studying it for the better part of the last three months, and the verse you are referring to denotes the public perception of the people who followed Jesus at the time, not what the disciples called themselves.  It's later on that they started calling themselves that because it made perfect sense in context.  You are twisting my words around. 

Peter is talking about suffering the context of following Jesus, and that makes perfect sense, I won't argue that.  But what about suffering being called Christian if public perception of Christian isn't someone who feeds the poor, loves the neighbor and turns the other cheek and instead, is someone that wages war, doesn't forgive, rapes children, practices malice and yet still claims self righteousness under the umbrella of "Christian."  Are you ready to explain that away?   When people hate you not because you follow Jesus but because the adjective you decide to use puts you in league with murderers and shady business people?

HOLY CRAP GUYS!

Nate is trying to do something simple and all of you are seriously over complicating this! It's this freeking simple:

1. You are a DJ
2. You are a Christian, or Christ-like person, or Christ follower or whatever the heck you wanna call your self. Basically, you associate yourself with Jesus Christ in your personal life.

 IF BOTH OF THOSE ARE TRUE, THEN PROCEED TO STEP 3

3. You sign up and have yourself listed on his website, regardless of what it is called. It a freeking database, not your own personal website. It's a way for Christians to find out who out there in the scene is also a Christian. Simple, to the point. Stop trying to over think this. It's not this hard.

Nate, Count me in.

(x2 on all of that)

thank you sir  8)

The debate is over the name mostly.

Nate, you've had a LONG time to pray about this project. I know you have. You still feel led to do it.. great.

All we are complaining about is the name of it. You just picked GodsDJs.com yesterday and you are "married" to it. All I'm asking is that you pray about it for a few weeks, get input from others before making the final move on it.

The site's identity is the most important thing. You don't want to throw out something useful with a name that repeals or implies the wrong thing. GodsDJs.com is way too perception forming from the start and will imply that those there are zealots (in a negative way), not really serious about their craft (ie. not professional club djs), are egotistical for thinking they are God's ONLY DJs and that they shouldn't be taken seriously.

Just pray about the name as long as you did the whole project. It's THAT important.

i agree with you 100% on the prayer and input from others. I have already gotten the green light from about a dozen TF'ers but I will continue to pray for at least a week or so more on the name and make a few phone calls to re-evaluate. Becky and I prayed about it yesterday day I think twice already when we were doing our devotions and we will continue to before I open things up.

Dave, I don't wanna get caught into this argument, but I seriously think you are going too deep into this. Here's why. "God's DJ's" doesn't come across at egotistical at all. Nor does it imply that those who are listed there are God's ONLY DJ's. It's just a quick name that gets to the point. Much like "ChristianVinyl.com". It states what it is and does not pretend to be anything other. If there was a website called God's People, would you not want to be associated with it? That's silly for us as "Christians" to act like it is an atrocity for us to be associated with as site called God's DJ's.

All I am saying is this is Nate's vision. Whatever name he decides on should be whatever he feels that God has put on his heart. If he were blaspheming the Lord or promoting something blatantly wrong, then I could see the point of all this hubbub (if I may use such harsh language :) ). But he is simply trying to accomplish something that few others, including myself, have attempted to do over the years and he may actually pull it off. Instead of bickering over something stupid as the name, we should get behind this project and give our brother some solid support. If he finds a better name somewhere down the line, great! If not, who cares? It's a great vision that is needed.

Chris, step out of the Christian box and see things from a non-Christian's point of view. How will they perceive it? I means seriously. Disney is telling the ad company doing the ad campaign for the "10 Commandments" to not include ANY reference to the Jews being God's chosen people. It's the same thing here, it won't go over well outside of our Christiandom.

But, as I understand it, "God's DJ's" is supposed to be a site that lists DJ's who call themselves chosen by God, IE: Christ-followers. The site isn't intended to attract secular people. It's intended to be a list of Christians for Christians to access. Where's the confusion?

exactly! this is aimed more at existing Christian's (both new and old) that had no idea that there were CHRISTIAN DJS! if this site brings secular ppl in too then thats great! but its mainly for the average youth group teen / pastor that heard that there is Christian techno now but knows nothing about it. thats what God's DJ's purpose is. if it takes off I plan to make promotional material and go from church to church locally and meet with youth pastors to hopefully get them involved...God WILLING!  8) then start doing DJ led worship. Honestly, I don't want to have anything to do with the secular club world (at least on this project) thats not the purpose of what I feel should be done here.

i will however continue to pray about it and talk to more TFer's offline about it for the next week before taking it public.

dave said, "it won't go over well outside of our Christiandom"

yeah i think that pretty much sums it up.  I agree with that 100 percent.

some people do things for christians only and this project sounds like that.  With that domain name there is not a good chance of a positive crossover to the secular/mainstream.


i personally do not like things like this, but to each their own


doug

So... that means it's not supposed to be a professional networking tool.

ugh. why do you guys do this? you bicker and complain when somebody is trying to do something proactive because you nitpick it and find something about it that you don't like. seriously, the elitist mentality needs to stop. just look at what it is, make it what you can make it for yourself, and be thankful. it's that simple.

I'm done with this thread. I tried to bring some common sense and no one is interested.

I was doing the same too Chris. I'm out too.

Ok... I lied. I'm back. Here's the thing... Christianvinyl.com worked b/c that was well... it was exactly what it was. There wasn't any attitude or anything attached to it. I'd LOVE to see ChristianDjs.com. Too bad someone already owns it. There's got to be some variant on that which would work though.

There's just too much attitude and baggage that comes along with GodsDJs.com. It's not just saying "Hey, here's a list of Christian DJs." The name seems to go beyond that to convey something about the quality or the calling of these DJs. Christianvinyl.com didn't convey that the music there was of a certain quality or calling other than it was Christian music.

Dave, I'm going to leave the decision up to the Lord. There's no more discussion. The name is not a community decision. It's mine and Gods. End story. I'm not trying to be offensive or a jerk but the creation and running of this site is TASTYFRESH INDEPENDANT. (not to say that I won't work with TF...I REALLY HOPE TO! Thats the plan for sure) I will continue to pray about it as I earlier stated but if at the end of the week I still feel the same its a go. If Tastyfresh doesn't want to be associated with it because of the name well...then thats on you. Really...

I personally think the name Tastyfresh is ridiculous. But I'm still here and very active. I don't complain about the name or make a big deal about nothing...

but consider this:...not a month ago I tried to get a friend of mine at the office to visit the site so I could show him a particular post and he wouldn't goto it because he thought that just from the name of the site it was porn-related. HONESTLY. (his name is Justin and you can email him to ask him if I'm making this up.) He wouldn't go to it until he got home. Now I'd much rather be accused of being stuck up or TOO GODLY then possibly mistaken for porn!?

if my site fails due to the name then it was GOD'S WILL...but really man really...how does it affect you or the Tastyfresh site at all? Really? I mean c'mon...you're trying really hard to de-rail something that doesn't affect you or really have anything to do with you...SOoo... let it be?

No matter how much you and I may disagree on certain things and have differnt points of view thats not an exucse to try and shootdown something that the other person is doing. You know I respect you and as a Christian brother love you and I think you should be very proud of whats been acomplished here but...this is your site. You have final say when it comes to TF...but not when it comes to my projects. I will ask for advice from time to time but I'm not by any means oblicated to take it  ;) However I have taken some and will continue to but the name is not something I will change unless I hear directly from the Lord. No amount of "logical reasoning" or "critical thinking" will due.

Anyway...I will always love & support TF. I don't agree with ALOT that goes on here but that doesn't mean I wont support it, link to it, pray for it, and continue to bring new members to the boards.

I don't participate much here, I've not read the whole topic either.  From what I understand You want to start your page with a list of names. Cool.  But there seems to be a disaggreemnt about the name.  If thats right or wrong I don't know and consider it irrelevent. My question may still be be off topic but I'll shoot anyway.

If you recieved revelation from God to name your site this, then that is God's will. What we know of God's will or better said "desire" is what is written and what we believe in our heart what God speaks to us.  Which is very personal.  But we appear to have a contradiction, if God told you to name it this, then it definitely will not fail because of that.  Unless it is not God's will that you name it that. Of everything I've ever read of God's Word it allways points to bringing man back to Him. So what ever we do, by what ever means or verbage should reflect that being born again we were called out and what we were called out for is the reconcilation of man back Him. So is what your doing supportive of bringing people out of a lost world back to God or not.

You are trying to centralize place to promote people who are all ready saved, and thier culture. I don't know if in the grand scheme of things if that will bring people to the Word or not. 

again...this is not to bring in the lost. how many times do i have to say it? this is to provide CHRISTIANS WITH A DIRECTORY OF DJS THAT ARE ALSO CHRISTIANS. It is POSSIBLE to minister to EXISTING CHRISTIANS.

I'm dumb-founded on how you guys can't understand such a simple thing...

im done repling on this post. anything else thats posted here I will not bother reading. I dont have to justify my actions or plans to anyone but the Lord. I'm tired of trying to make everyone happy. God Bless you all this topics is done.

I understand what you're trying to do, it will be helpful to people like I was six years ago.

oy vey....

Well... yeah it's VERY silly. I didn't name the site. The founder did. Want to know something though? It works. The site has lasted almost 11 years now. It's attracted Christian and it's attracted non-Christians. I mean, it's nuts. It's named after a movie theater popcorn machine! God used it. Is still using it. And will be using it. Amazingly enough... the name doesn't have God in it anywhere and once you're here, it's obvious that it's run by Christians.


I have honestly joked for years about buying Tastyflesh.com just to make sure it didn't turn into a porno site. A few of us have joked about making it a BBQ site too.


I would much rather be mistaken for something I'm not b/c someone didn't want to check it out than to be accused of something I probably am actually guilty of.


Dude... nothing actually fails b/c it's God's will. God doesn't set us up for failure. I don't know where you got that idea, but it's flat out wrong. If it fails, it's b/c it WASN'T God's will or you didn't follow his will to his exact specifications. Seriously.


Do not think I'm trying to derail your site. I'm not. I don't want to see you fail. I want to see you succeed. It's won't affect this site at all unless it fails and you let that failure be reflected in your attitude here OR if things get said on your site that makes the majority of people feel that it's how Christian DJs all think or act. I'm more concerned about the first part than the last. We've had bad attitudes sprout up here from time to time b/c ppl carried out what they felt was God's will the way they felt God wanted them to do it, but in actuallity... they didn't. I don't want to see this happen to you.

I just want to remind you about how ALL of this got started.


You asked for this communities' opinion. We gave it to you. You got it from several different viewpoints. Rather than listening to the advice concerning the more serious parts of what you are doing such as the scope or the name, you have trivialized it. The advice on things such as the logo, which is important... but not as important as the scope of the site or the name/marketing strategy, you have taken whole heartedly.

The worst part is that the people giving you this advice are all the ones who are more involved in this as a profession (either in a Christian or secular market) and know the market very well are cast aside and said to be against you and wanting to see you fail. Truthfully, it feels like a betrayal of friendship and trust.

If you really don't want to hear anything negative about your ideas and you don't trust the advice given by the people of this site, then perhaps it is best if you don't post them here.

In the future. I will not post here asking for adivce. I've learned that doing this (asking for advice) is a huge mistake. Thanks for the input.

IM NOT ASKING FOR ANYMORE ADVICE on this...just wanted to say that so it was clear.

I'm not mad at anyone..but I'm DONE TALKING ABOUT IT ON THIS THREAD. PERIOD.

So... do you want me to lock it then?

actually yes. please. I would appreciate that. If at weeks end I still feel this direction from the Lord then I'll make a GodsDJs.com post... again I'm not mad man. I'm just extremely frustrated...

when I asked for feedback I wasn't asking for feedback from 1 or 2 ppl only. I wanted many different TF'ers ideas and feelings...so far its been back and forth between us and thats not what I had in mind when I asked for feedback.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on somethings. If you really truely feel strongly about the name then I would suggest that you pray that the Lord changes my heart on the idea. I'm not closed minded regarding it, but as long as I'm feeling this direction, im obligated to continue...

OK... consider it locked.