If you would like to be considered for shows in the Nashville area please send your Testimony & demo/ demo link to

audiobaptism@gmail.com

please keep in mid that the folowing will be expceted for ALL Audio Baptism Events

up to 2/3 hours of LIVE MIXING or Live PA....(no "just pressing play")

1/2 of your track selections MUST HAVE AUDIBLE/LYRICAL CHRISTIAN CONTENT
(we are sorry to have to be this specific but we believe that the message must be BLATANT & unsubdued...so mix sets that are intrumental only will not be considered)

no less than a half hour offering personal testimony

no less than on half hour leading bible study for event attendee's

You must provide your own needles (sharing needles is durrrty-lol)
 
If event is on a Saturday night you will be expected to attened Church Service the next morning and be availible to the church youth that morning

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What we will Provide

2 Numark CDX's

1 Mixer

2 Tech 1200's

AMPLE SOUND

Lodging

Travel allowance

all meals for durration of stay

honorarium or love offering

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BE ADVISED!!

we will make allowances for DJ's bringing ONE GUEST to include ONE OTHER MALE companion or WIFE and/ or Children.....Talent booked for AB events will NOT be permitted to lodge with Girlfriends/ fiance's (ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS) .....If it is requested IN ADVANCE that a girlfriend/ fiance' would like to travel along she will be REQUIRED to stay at a seperate residence... if a host family for the girlfried/ fiance' is NOT availible the cost of lodging for girlfriends will not be absorbed by AB ministries..(sorry)

references from the Sr. Pastor of your church would also be greatly appriciated...

so, if anyone is interested just hit me up and we will go over your EPK :)

 

Dumb question: What church is this with? What denomination?

Sorry... that's 2. :)

First Church of God

Church of God../ Home office Anderson IN
(NOT pentecostal Church of God)

http://www.chog.org/

everything you would need to know about us is there in that site :)

& the reason we ask so much of out talent is bc we dont just do your standard Christian 'rave" they are full on ministry events with speakers, music, food, games the whole package for our young pplt aht we do these shows for :)

When is the event taking place??

Frankie Vibe

Send info and Questions to

audiobaptism@gmail.com or hit me up on myspace

www.myspace.com/lithiumbabydoll

Here's my beef: Why are you asking the minister of music to also give the sermon?

This is the kinda of stuff that makes me love people... crazy people.

I love it!

But then again I have no idea what I am doing when it comes to doing events of course!

Robbie

bc with techno sometimes its hard to hear the message.. and we feel that just about everyone in the EDM community thats doing Christian music has a great testimony-- it also lets our youth know where the DJ is comming from-- our shows like I said are not jsut a Christian rave.. they are full on ministry events--- our shows are a differnt kind of breed kinda like us. lets say this we want the ppl taht come to our somws to get some "meat" w/ their "potatos"

oh and I dont see why someone in MUSIC MINISTRY should have a problem being asked to give their testimony or lead a Bible study for teens/ young adults........do you?

and I take Crazy person as a compliment--

Sweet!

Ask the DJ for his testimony when you book him. Talk to him on the phone. Hang out with him before you book him. Do things like this. Don't ask him to preach or teach to prove he's Christian enough. He may not be gifted in those areas and honestly... his theology may not line up with what you want taught in your church.

If you want the youth to know where he's coming from... let him just hang out with them once you've done what I've suggested above. That WILL communicate 10 times better than asking the DJ to preach.

Yeah... spiritual gifts. He may not be strong in the preaching or teaching areas. A music minister may be an ear rather than a mouth. God gifted us all to do "something" not everything.

true.  I don't have much music with christian vocals or samples in it.  I'm really picky about my music and its clean when doesn't have vocals and when it does it has some biblical meaning.

I agree, I suck at public speaking, and yeah I know Moses was too and God made the way, but even if I was a spiritual giant, I couldn't, not my gifting.  I'm more of a one on one person.

again we agree to disagree-- our format has worked for years the kids love it- and the adults get it..........if someone was totally against it we could discuss it prior to signing the honorarium-- butthe format mentioned above tahts just how Audio Baptism Ministries gets down.....like I sed we are a different breed ENTIRELY!-- I guess its plays out like this we know what the ppl that we do shows for want and expect...and God has this AWESOME way of sending ppl with that same groove to us-- and it just CLIX! 8)

If it works... it works. It's just not how I would want to do it or expect it to be done. That's why I'm asking all the questions and challenging it.

More questions:

1) What is your criteria for this being a success?
2) How many people attend your events?
3) How many NEW people attend with each event?
4) How many of those new people return to later events?

my head hurts Im giving this one to my hubby--- Im out

1) What is your criteria for this being a success?
2) How many people attend your events?
3) How many NEW people attend with each event?
4) How many of those new people return to later events?

1) well it certainly isn't numbers or dollar signs, but it is the message of the gospel being heard. it's about people knowing that they can do better for themselves if they just let God take charge and COMPLETELY submit to him. everyone has a testimony and we are called to always be prepared to give an account for the joy that is in us.
2)we have had as much as 400 and as few as 10, but once again numbers are not a game we like to play
3) don't have an exact figure on that, because why?  numbers are not an issue. there are new people every time but more importantly...
4)people always come back

whenever the gospel is preached, however it's preached people will hear something they need to hear. 
i guess it's more a matter of how you measure sucess! your right not everyone is gifted with the ability to preach or teach and no one is asking for a sermon, but the bible is very clear that we should be able to speak about the great things that God has done for and thru us.

thanx,
shawn

OK... another question and a comment.

Q) How many people have heard and publicly responded to the Gospel as presented in your rave-like (or not-so-like) events? You should at least have some numbers on this. Especially regarding new believers.

C) Numbers never should be the end goal however, numbers are VERY important. They help you to accurately judge how successful something is. If you don't keep track of them, you can't know if you are making progress. Never forget that one of the books in the Bible is called Numbers and with good reason. Even God believes in numbers.

i recall at our largest event the prayer rooms were full and overflowing into the halls of the church and the kids were lined up all the way across the stage praying.  as far as finding out who was a new beleiver i leave that up to them to express. it's not like we get on the mic and take a survey that tends to make new beleivers embarassed sometimes wouldn't you think.

and further more i'm sure your familiar with the parable of the lost sheep and the whole rejoiceing over one new beleiver than one hundred who are already saved. Numbers was not about how many people paid to get into the show.

let me ask this how many of the questions youve asked us could apply to the events you do. how often do you give people a reason or a chance to respond as a new beleiver. or is that the difference between a rave that happens to be thrown by christians  and a rave ministry event?  just food for thought.

really? i'd like to disagree.

If we're in this Christianity thing for numbers we've got it all wrong. Churches/ministries should be measured by growth spiritually rather than by numbers, cos you could have a mega church of 'weak Christians' or a small village church of 'strong Christians' and find that the smaller one is more effective for making Jesus known. So if a 'rave' that is thrown helps someone, one person, get closer to God, but doesn't convert anyone else it is still a success.


dat true.

Also, we should not be boasting in anything but Jesus. So there should be no: "We converted 20 people this year though our rave ministry" but "Jesus has been working thru the rave ministry".

All that matters is that 1. God is glorified, 2. Jesus gets the praise, 3. The Holy Spirit is working - to God's timescale (not ours!)

If those three things are happening then an event is succesful. Just because you get 14 people to your first event doesn't mean it should stop. They'll spread the word if its any good. Even then there may not be a huge response to their word of mouth, but surely its worth keeping the even running even if 1 of those 14 come to some sort of commitment?

PRAISE THE LORD FOR A VOICE OF REASON!!!!

BROTHER THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH FOR "Getting" what we are trying to do!!!

its really hard to have what we feel is a very effective ministry challenged because we aren’t packing huge venues wall to wall every time we set a foot out the door--  But hey, thats not a thing that we  really concern ourselves with, we feel taht God sends the ppl that are Supposed to be at that particular event, its about people, its about getting to have A WORSHIP SERVICE where people can seek a personal relationship with the LIVING GOD... and we just don’t feel like that can happen if its just a rave/concert we truly feel that there should be a time of subdued reverence where the fullness of the GOOD NEWS can be heard without any frills without any other distractions-- when its just THE WORD OF GOD and/ or What GOD has Done in someone’s life (testimonials).........I know that for some esp. those w. a strong walk a concert/rave setting is a great place to worship for me I connect w/ God So personally through music. HOWEVER........lets look at what might happen for a young person coming into a  Christian concert/rave setting with his or her friends for the first time- they might be so distracted by all that’s going on around them that they may not get " THE MESSAGE" that the DJ/ Band is trying to convey if there is not that Pause where the word of God is literally SPOKEN!!

Roman 10 13-15 (NLT)
13 For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[g]
 14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”[h]

Ya'll it don’t get much clearer...in fact it has only been at the past few Christian rave events, that we have been to that I have noticed that its JUST MUSIC and yes the content is there in SOME tracks but its been our experience that its more over instrumental and what kind of message is that??? I’m sure all of you have been to Christian Concerts.... and you will notice that between songs the bands ALWAYS glorify God with their mouths THEY SPEAK THE GOSPEL! that’s what we are saying that’s what our ministry is about...its the MINISTRY that God gave us we have seen miracles worked through many young people  through this format and we will not be changing anything about Audio Baptism Ministries anytime soon-- for who are we to Question a FORMULA set before us BY JESUS?

on an end note: in discussing this last night Shawn and I have decided that its not accurate to call our events..Concerts/ Raves/ Shows, or even events-- they are infact Emmegent Worship Services and we will be reffering to them as such from here on end as to not confuse what we are doing with anythign less than what it REALLY IS.

Fine :)


Nope... I agree with that. You missed my point though. Financially, for example, we are called to be responsible with what God gives us right? If someone can be reached with $5.00 of promotional materials or $10,000 which is being more responsible?

You have to know numbers so you can evaluate HOW effective your ministry is. Are you just throw money down a hole like the US government does with our education system or are you trying to leverage every aspect of that ministry to be optimally effective? Numbers help us to determine that.


That's not what I'm talking about either. I'm talking about having an effective ministry that reaches as many people as possible.


What if you ran your numbers and found out that less and less people were attending your events? What then? What if there is no growth? Shouldn't you be tracking these signs so that you know the areas that need improvement?


Again... numbers help to show this. If people have stopped showing up, perhaps the Spirit has as well.


Does it? What percentage of a Church budget should an event that serves only 14 people get if the church typically serves a total of 4,000 people (not members or even attenders) a year? These are the types of things that matter regarding numbers.

Well... considering that Cstone is actually my first event, I don't have any numbers for you. Here's what I can tell you though.

The Dance Club at Cstone typically will pull in 200-300 people a night. Most of them are there as part of their youth group or Tastyfresh. During each night, many people actually step outside and talk about various issues in their lives and how it relates to them spiritually. This actually encourages and inspires everyone who attends. The spiritual aspect happens naturally there as 200-300 people are gathered in God's name to fellowship with like minded believers and to worship him through dancing. Since the event is geared toward this rather than reaching people for salvation, we don't and won't have that number.

Here's an open confession too about the Dance Club: Every year, one person can be spotted there who is high during the week. This is normally one of the kids there with some youth group. So, I'll say there are people there who are not Christians. Could we do better? Maybe... sure. Maybe I will this year, but it won't be a sermon or anything in the traditional sense of that. Prayer is a focus of that.

So... what's the big difference between the secular raves and what happens at Cstone? Attitude and the reason behind why it's being done. That's it. Not everything has to be a direct call to salvation, but those of us involved do need to be sensitive to those we see who need it and act one on one.

My goals this year are to get solid numbers on how many attend the dance club. This is to help determine where it needs to go NEXT year and to serve as a baseline to show growth in the future. This is a rebuilding year. I'm expecting a lot, but I want to see bigger things happen in the future. Honestly... I do hope that we find a way to the Gospel in more directly to the show, but I do not feel that doing that should be the main goal. The main goal for the dance club is worship and fellowship. It always has been and should remain that way. We are the ministers of music not the sermon givers.

I want people to make connections with others so that through the relationships these connections form, they grow stronger in Christ and come to know him better. Some call this lifestyle evangelism. It's slow, takes longer, but the end results are just as valid and often times you reach people who were thought to be unreachable. If this happens on a regular basis (numbers again - 10 this year, 50 next year, 200 and so on. ) I will be satisfied. Will God? I hope so. After more than 6 months of prayer, this is the direction I know we need to take for this year.

 ok this whole time you've made it sound like you had been doing this for years with great results and come to find out this is your first deal. Why even be so bold as to challenge the way we do things. these are not even in the same ballpark. CS is mostly an event for beleivers, but not exclusivly. it's a place for christians to get together and fellowship, that doesn't meen it shouldn't be sensitive to the needs of the unbeleiver.  the events we do are yes for both but our soul pupose is to glorify God by 1)speaking his word with and without a beat behind it 2)encouraging christians and planting seeds in those that aren't   we aren't here just to entertain those who already beleive.  So why even try to oppose our methods. i would love to be at cornerstone, to worship with thousands of beleivers, but our calling is not to do events like cornerstone.

i don't disagree with your format for the dance club, but the gospel aka good news should always the main focus. it's the good news it IS the main focus.

Here's the thing. I've been running this site for years, attending events, listening to what ppl have said works and doesn't work.

BTW, I think you feel that I'm challenging you on this. I'm not. I've just asked some questions that's it. I can do that right?

I've been to events where the music is stopped and someone preaches. People leave.  They just leave. It will vary by region, but this is what happens here.

I've got to run and pick up my wife, but I'll get back on this.

your words not mine.  but anyway. if it we did more of a rave type event outside the confines of a church then yes ppl would probly leave when the beat stops. thats when keep the beat going and  speak your piece with heavy reverb. lol   but there always room for the gospel. we haven't had to deal with ppl walking out tho 1) youth groups are chaperoned  2)we charge re-entry fee (keeps the drugs out too).

But... I was using challenging it in the sense of not saying you were wrong, but just as a point of critique.


Anyway...

yeah... you're going for a different audience than what we have gone for typically in the south. Yer hitting up your youth group. We hit up the college and 20 something club scene. It's a totally different world there.

BTW, saw the other thread. I'll just leave things to the ppl there and get back to my work. Good job on focusing the debate now within the confines of the rules here. I hope you get the answer your seeking. Just remember that some of us have different goals and audiences in mind.

my original call was to minister within the rave scene to those that had gone astray as i did, at least that's what i thought at first. then God showed me that i should concentrate on the youth first. i would love and have plans to do things geared more towards the college age but i have yet to find clubs/promoters who are willing to let me play without compromising my message. so in God's time and not mine it will happen. i would also like to add collectively my wife and i have 15 yrs. in event promotion.  5 yrs. have been spent in the ministry and i am now a paid youth pastor.  i'm not some newb comin on to the scene thinking i've got all the answers. but i'm old enough to know what hasn't worked and open enough to take suggestions as long as they fall in line with scripture.

You don't have to compromise your message, but... you may need to alter your performance. The two are seperate things. Plus, you may want to look into lifestyle evangelism as a new method. Hellfire and brimestone doesn't work all the time if you get my drift. Sometimes you have to show people Christ's love by first learning to love them. It takes time, but God will open doors for you to share individually with others.

my tracks are far from hellfire and brimstone.  although i love the track "truth about the afterlife" i wouldn't use it in a non- christian setting, that's just asking for ppl to tune you out. what i'm reffering to is ppl not wanting me to play any christian tracks, witness to ppl, or even mention my faith. for that i will not change, i shouldn't have to.

ooh i just noticed this... id love to come where do i sign up? :-)

bah...mjust got done reading the thread now, gotta go to bed grr... want to respond but not enough time ill hit this up tomorrow :-)

lol bed timer again grr... mabee tomorrow grr >_<

You guys already know me and I have played your show. It was awesome and I'd love to do it anytime.

All this controversy, and I'm the only one who notices that you don't make any allowances for female DJs... Heh... ;)

Well...when I find a CHRISTIAN DJ that iza gurl and whome I can AFFORD! we def. have allowances for them in our honorarium contract-- HOWEVER considering that most of the DJS on this and most forums are guyz.....................anywhoooo we arent against booking the gurls--I wish there were more chix out there spinning for Christ... but alas the bulk of female DJs Ive had the displeasure of meeting/ seeing come one stage half nekkie, try to flip the fader with the grand tetons and do a poor job at basic mixin- but I digress.............& then theirs Irene, but I hear she spits....ewwwwwwwwww!