Well????

Firefox, I dont like the new Internet Explorer

but... have you seen the new firefox?

Opera :P

I love the new IE, but i'm still too attached to the 3rd party plugins for firefox. and i like the bittorrent intergration in Opera. So it depends on what i'm doing for what browser i use.

Web development - Firefox
Everything else - Opera

FF 2.0 rawkz my digital w0rld!!!

 :P

i honestly haven't spent enough time in either yet. I just upgraded both at work today. I'll see as time flies. Righ now, I'm leaning toward IE, but I think it's b/c it's flashier.

x2

I can't tell any difference in the new firefox. looks the same to me.

ffx

...well this is kinda of like asking the question is blue crap better then red crap...? both stink for now...give them bout a year as with any new software release for all the bugs to be worked out and maybe one of those craps will turn to roses?  :laugh: ... my guess money is on FFX but microsoft rules the world so.... personally I will always devlope my sites in IE since 85% of internet users still favor it...

you should develop to the w3c standards. that way the browsers don't matter. ;)

well honestly, i mostly do flash work so browsers dont matter most of the time...but i often get clients that ask for sites designed for IE instead of FFX or vice versa. even with w3schools standards there are some problems. like with tables and cells. you can copy the code right from w3schools.org open it in IE and then in FFX and the tables will be out of wack in one of them...usually FFX. recently though i've moved to template customization... more profitable and less time consuming. plus i dont have to worry bout browser issue...

actually, FFX follows the w3 standards more closely than IE, but neither of them hold a candle to opera.

and make sure you include the doctype, because not having that will cause both FFX and IE to render in 'quirks' mode and just assume that you have outdated or incorrect markup, thus making everything suck.

So far, preliminary tests of IE 7 by my company has shown it to have a lot of compatibility and security issues for large online apps.

My wife, who installed it on her machine complains it is slow and crashes a lot.

Haven't upgraded Firefox yet.

Miss the days of Netscape when I could have like three or four versions running concurrently. *sigh*


!@#$% Microsoft!

I've had no speed problems with IE7. It actually runs faster than IE6 did, and you don't have to have concurrent windows open, because it has tabs.

As for security issues, the only ones i've seen are actually Office 2003 (outlook) issues that occur when using xmlhttpRequest

well... add in more accessibility issues, search engine ranking issues and of course... difficulty in adding and updating content ;)

Our CMS at the U had to be patched to work with it. That was THEIR fault not IE though. You could always view the pages, but you just couldn't edit them. LONG story.

Never really liked tabs.

As for security, a lot of issues have arisen due to security. We had nightmares and weeks of re-development thanks to XP Service Pack 2 added security features for IE.

We had issues with reports which were delivered in pop-up Windows and XP refused to allow them even when we authorized the the domain, etc.

Just a lot of headaches like that. Most don't plague basic websites. But web applications are far more complex.

- Saj

yeah, i know about webapps, that's what i do. But so far, i havn't had any trouble with ie7 and popups.
and i still don't know what security issues you're talking about.

see this article on cnet

http://news.com.com/Minor+issues+surface+after+IE+7+launch/2100-1002_3-6127792.html (http://news.com.com/Minor+issues+surface+after+IE+7+launch/2100-1002_3-6127792.html)

yeah, that's the vuneribulity i was talking about. It's actually in Outlook and not IE.

Didn't know about the autodesk thing though. Wonder why they didn't update it though, they had almost a year to test it with the betas and CTP's

Safari





what¿?

I've been using firefox for about 6 months now, and i still find myself going to the bottom to change tabs! I wish someone could make a skin that moves them to the bottom... or is there some setting that i haven't discovered?

1) REDMOND REPORT

By Doug Barney
Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine
this is cool..............

ADOBE GOES OPEN SOURCE IN A FLASH
Pieces of Flash are now in the hands of the public thanks to
a generous contribution from Adobe to the Mozilla Foundation.
The scripting piece of Flash was handed over so that Flash can
play a more integral part of Firefox.
http://redmondmag.com/news/article.asp?editorialsid=7953

maybe I'm missing something here...

1) ActionScript (the scriping lang in Flash) is based of Ecme Script and is VERY close to JavaScript. It's also very well documented. If this is what they gave, I don't get it.
2) The Flash SWF file format has been "open" for years now allowing others to develop programs that can render an SWF file for the web. Examples include Corel's RAVE, Swift 3D, various Maya and 3D Studio Max plugins and a homegrown one that IBM's education branch uses. I'm sure there are more out there though.

SO.... given this... what EXACTLY did Adobe give???

ActionScript may be based on the ECME script style. But it has numerous specialized and unique functions.

That said, I am not exactly sure what they are giving Firefox either. Maybe allowing Firefox to utilize some of it beyond Flash.  Or allowing it to be more natively embedded.

I wish Adobe would bring all the ColdFusion functions into Flash. Of all the systems I've worked with, none do I enjoy as much as ColdFusion when it comes to handling dates, time, formatting, etc. I just love ColdFusion's functions and tags.

:)