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Title: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 10, 2008, 04:41:46 AM Yes on beatport about the equipment of the Digweed and Sasha tour
http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/sasha-and-john-digweeds-dj-set-up/ Interesting to know that sasha has to still beat match to mix into the end of Johns sets. Ive always just faded in! Also his maven controller blew up! And his laptop crashed! Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 10, 2008, 07:06:31 AM There's been an ableton plugin for sometime for pitch bending. It's built in with 7 so yeah... no biggie for Sasha.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 10, 2008, 07:23:02 AM i wonder what he did in 6 then?
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: deeflash on April 10, 2008, 07:32:15 AM he used dj magic.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 10, 2008, 07:32:58 AM i wonder what he did in 6 then? eh hem... There's been an ableton plugin for sometime for pitch bending. Obviously, I don't like to be ignored. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: deeflash on April 10, 2008, 07:45:25 AM anyone seen dave lately?
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 10, 2008, 08:09:36 AM Dave who?
Interesting to know that sasha has to still beat match to mix into the end of Johns sets. k... so honestly, has everyone pretty much stopped beat matching? That seems to be what I'm hearing, with this new wave of digital wizardry. Out with the beat matching. Wha? Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 10, 2008, 08:32:28 AM it's foolish to think that's the only way you can be a real dj. Esp when radio guys never do it.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 10, 2008, 09:44:53 AM Dave who? Interesting to know that sasha has to still beat match to mix into the end of Johns sets. k... so honestly, has everyone pretty much stopped beat matching? That seems to be what I'm hearing, with this new wave of digital wizardry. Out with the beat matching. Wha? Thats my point read the article! We focus on the beat matching side and forget theres more to djing than just the beat matching Besides as the article points out sasha cant be accused of not having beat matching skills he was always known for such smooth mixing! it's foolish to think that's the only way you can be a real dj. Esp when radio guys never do it. x2 Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Alex Wilson on April 10, 2008, 12:10:59 PM beatmatching has always been the easy part of djing. lets be honest. anyone with some musical ability and practice can do it.
djing about understanding the dynamics of the crowd and keep them dancing. which takes alot more then just being able to beatmatch. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 10, 2008, 12:16:12 PM True true! You're all right, I'm not downplaying the importance of the other aspects of DJing.
But beat matching has been like a right of passage, for years. It's just a bit odd to think of that being removed. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 10, 2008, 12:31:24 PM Alex is brilliant. Although... I suck at matching beats.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Alex Wilson on April 10, 2008, 12:32:48 PM im not that brilliant... if i was.. ild be pro.. but i still work in a warehouse.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 10, 2008, 01:11:16 PM See, remove the right of package and you'll have hacks like Dave Richards playing at Cornerstone.
AAAHAHAHA. I jest! :laugh: Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 10, 2008, 03:01:23 PM beatmatching has always been the easy part of djing. lets be honest. anyone with some musical ability and practice can do it. djing about understanding the dynamics of the crowd and keep them dancing. which takes alot more then just being able to beatmatch. 8) True true! You're all right, I'm not downplaying the importance of the other aspects of DJing. But beat matching has been like a right of passage, for years. It's just a bit odd to think of that being removed. Odd maybe but it just means we are moving onto other rights of passage. Not everyone wants to spend hours configuring their set up or warping their tracks. It still takes dedication Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 10, 2008, 03:14:54 PM set up = 1 time
beatmatching = everytime Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: ecliptik on April 10, 2008, 05:55:17 PM I'm actually glad that the auto sync feature, on any dj software, is fail. I rather take the time to manually beat match, because I actually have to play fast music just to keep from getting bored with beat matching.... BTW, cueing and beat matching w/o headphones is very hard, even with digital dj software, It's a challenge in itself.
Basically, I could have the easiest setup in the world, and I'd still find a way to make it challenging :laugh: Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Alex Wilson on April 10, 2008, 08:39:39 PM actually, i find that cueing and such without headphones is fairly easy with traktor.
beatmatching each track is really annoying, unless you are super good at it, you dont seem to have time to really pay attention to the flow of the night and such. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 10, 2008, 08:49:56 PM With traktor, I just need to know what the next track sounds like :)
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 11, 2008, 01:48:37 AM Does it get the right bpm everytime then?
I still cant believe that? Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 11, 2008, 02:27:53 AM Does it get the right bpm everytime then? It's pretty good with the BPM, but doesn't align the tracks properly. I adjust it every time. beatmatching each track is really annoying, unless you are super good at it, you dont seem to have time to really pay attention to the flow of the night and such. lol... but see, this is my point about right of passage. Other DJs have been learning this for years, and once they master it, they can do it so fast. And then they can graduate to the dance floor. I'm all for the digital revolution, and I've started playing with Traktor and I quite like it. But I'll be honest when I say I have to get over prejudice regarding DJs who've never learned to beatmatch. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 11, 2008, 06:08:59 AM Does it get the right bpm everytime then? I still cant believe that? Setup a beat grid, and it will. Slave the deck to the master clock and you'll never have to beatmatch. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 11, 2008, 06:09:40 AM Does it get the right bpm everytime then? It's pretty good with the BPM, but doesn't align the tracks properly. I adjust it every time. Like I said... set up a beat grid. That's the solution. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 11, 2008, 06:34:09 AM What is a beat grid?
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: deeflash on April 11, 2008, 07:58:38 AM the equivalent to warp markers. it just tells traktor where the beat is
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 11, 2008, 09:30:37 AM Voodoo!
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 11, 2008, 10:01:04 AM it's easier to set than warp markers though. You basically set a cue point on a repetitive beat/sound and then in the cue edit, make it a beatgrid marker and the name it. Once that's done, it's just a matter of verifying the bpm and setting that. It's fairly fast and easy. You can do that in a quarter to half the time it takes to warp a track.
If you don't slave the deck or hit the sync button, you can still manually beatmatch the track to another deck. Once you do that, it should stay in sync until you mix out of the original track. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 11, 2008, 10:07:17 AM Interesting to know that sasha has to still beat match to mix into the end of Johns sets. Ive always just faded in! I remain a fan of turning off the turntable for a brutal protracted farewell to the previous DJ. Depends on the style though. Haha, I was playing with some other Tasty members in Toronto and the DJ before me (Fezzik) ended with the track I was planning on starting with. Foisted! Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: deeflash on April 11, 2008, 11:43:03 AM it's easier to set than warp markers though. You basically set a cue point on a repetitive beat/sound and then in the cue edit, make it a beatgrid marker and the name it. Once that's done, it's just a matter of verifying the bpm and setting that. It's fairly fast and easy. You can do that in a quarter to half the time it takes to warp a track. If you don't slave the deck or hit the sync button, you can still manually beatmatch the track to another deck. Once you do that, it should stay in sync until you mix out of the original track. http://www.djtechtools.com/2008/04/09/quickly-set-up-perfect-beat-grids/ Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 11, 2008, 11:54:06 AM Excessive, but yeah, that's the way to do it.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Alex Wilson on April 11, 2008, 12:40:05 PM turning off the deck on my last track would really annoy me. not only that but mixing from the last guys track keeps the energy going.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 11, 2008, 02:31:50 PM 'Course. But maybe you want that. Make a bang with your arrival. It's not uncommon.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Alex Wilson on April 11, 2008, 02:37:26 PM depends on the situation and the need. is it more important to keep the energy of the night going or annouce the arrival and the new DJ. oakenfold does it appearently.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 12, 2008, 01:27:27 AM Exactly. And that's my point. Depends on the situation.
If the situation is J Puddy is playing, then BOOM, you're gone! hahaha.... ;) Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: djvicar on April 12, 2008, 03:23:39 AM I agree i think there times when its appropriate to make a point making the change over obvious! Also some times it can be done and create energy. Ive seen djs do it a way that bigs-up the dj who was on before them and then at the same time announces themselves.
But some times its appropriate to beat mix in and keep the energy going! It depends on whats being played the crowd etc it's easier to set than warp markers though. You basically set a cue point on a repetitive beat/sound and then in the cue edit, make it a beatgrid marker and the name it. Once that's done, it's just a matter of verifying the bpm and setting that. It's fairly fast and easy. You can do that in a quarter to half the time it takes to warp a track. If you don't slave the deck or hit the sync button, you can still manually beatmatch the track to another deck. Once you do that, it should stay in sync until you mix out of the original track. http://www.djtechtools.com/2008/04/09/quickly-set-up-perfect-beat-grids/ Oh dear traktor is calling ;) Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 12, 2008, 07:16:01 AM Exactly. And that's my point. Depends on the situation. If the situation is J Puddy is playing, then BOOM, you're gone! hahaha.... ;) I think the previous DJ would rip you a new one right there in the booth if you did that. This isn't how the pros are doing it right now. You have to mix into the other set. You are building a night, not changing it. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Brandon on April 12, 2008, 08:39:36 AM Meh, the technique is still often employed during multi-genre events or when a headliner particularly wants to "stand out" (I'm not saying it's right, just that it happens).
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 12, 2008, 08:50:49 AM Yeah, exactly. I've seen it done. I've done it.
I think it's inappropriate, therefor amusing and cheeky. Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 12, 2008, 09:07:29 AM Just know that I would not allow you to live. Period.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Alex Wilson on April 12, 2008, 09:15:42 AM i dont think i would immeditately kill you, but i might cuz then i would be the headliner...
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Brandon on April 12, 2008, 11:17:25 AM I think the scene could benefit from some thunderdome action.
"Two headliners enter, one headliner leaves!" Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Dave Richards on April 12, 2008, 11:21:14 AM I'd kill the announcer as well.
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: Brandon on April 12, 2008, 11:26:41 AM The announcer was the best thing about that movie! ;)
Title: Re: Article worth a read for Digital Djs + Synics Post by: thepudd on April 15, 2008, 01:18:58 PM These new school DJs. Never learnt to beatmatch, can't handle ribbing by other DJs.
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