The official information is coming very soon.  I can tell you a couple brief things at this moment.


1.  We will be serving food each and every day at the generator stage.
2.  If you submitted a demo for Afterhours we would love to have you spin @ the generator stage regardless if you got booked at Afterhours.
3.  We will have a series of Electronic Dance Music seminars that the generator stage is pleased to host daily.
4.  We will have some extended sets from a few of your favorite DJs who are Christians including tagteam sets and other interesting combinations from some of the heavy hitters in the scene.

Lots of changes are coming with the generator stage...I'm sure you WILL like the changes we are bringing to the table.  Don't worry.  We will still have bubbles. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:.  Actually I'm serious about that.  I love bubbles.

All total information is coming very very shortly; including where and how you can donate to make this a serious reality.  You have been unofficially officially teased.  I will not answer any questions on this thread as all information is forthcoming 8).

Thanks!

Doug Theodore
Afterhours
Tastyfresh Generator Mgr.

Bubbles? 

we have bubble machines

good fun at a rock fest!

the bubbles made my set so surreal!!!!!

and doug... u answered a question LOL

har har har ;D i luv bubbles  :-X

Yes... bubbles. You haven't returned my call yet and here you are posting... CALL ME BACK!!!

(http://www.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/38/9/AAAAAteNgq0AAAAAADiavw.jpg)

video with glow and bubbles:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wP2M1RTk53o

His set reminded me of good times back in Tampa. BTW, I like the generator stage.
Glow looked like he was enjoying himself!  :smiley8:

haha yeah i totally enjoyed myself!!! it was amazing!!! and some of my closest friends were there and some of my closest cornerstone friends too!!!
it was so amazing!!!

Just remember who ran across the freakin circumfrence of Cornerstone and brought back the bubble machine to the generator stage when every else was to lazy to fetch it  8)

I meant to say diameter, not circumfrence. That would of been silly

^  :laugh:

you mean perimeter....??? this isn't geometry.

No Daniel, not perimiter. Cause A) a circle does not have a perimiter, it has a circumfrence. B) I did not go around the entire outskirts of Cornerstone, I went across it's DIAMETER, or *maybe* it was closer to a radius.

I sound like a nerd

...tiny bubbles...

& i really REALLY thank u for that  :hug:

this looks so awesome :D hope i can make it there

Chris! What the heck? You gave thumbs DOWN!?

emoticon sync problems :(

im forever blowing bubbles, pretty bubbles in the sky, they fly so high, they touch the sky!

haha...
and no, i dont support west ham...but the chant is good.

ahaha sorry i was meant to put  ;D

lol, i know what you're going on about.. even if no one else does.


**CORRECTION**
a. circles are round - they do not have corners.
b. it would be hypocritical to have a Cornerstone festival in a circle.
c. shapes with corners are not circles.

I hope that clears things up for you guys... I'm glad I learnt geometry in an English school, you Americans have it all wrong!

Though the generator stage sounds awesome, I don't know if I should play or not. I'm afraid I might blow out a speaker...lol

and besides, I know I didn't get picked for afterhours, because I had one bad transition.
There could be many other factors that come into play, one being that I never heard of a DnB DJ getting booked at CS before, and...well...I never been to CS before.

All in all, I still want to come out.

D&B has had a pretty rich past actually: Ashley of Evol Intent, J.Davis aka Faith Massive and Lovetree are just a few who have played. The crowd though is more into house and techno though. We're seriously considering doing a night of it next year... maybe.

I don't think one bad transition would kill you on your demo. We're looking beyond that to things like past gigs, how active you are in this community, how well known you are outside of TF, have you ever played cstone before and when. There's really a long list of factors that even I haven't completely written down.

Then there's the ultimate one: If you are active in the secular scene and you want to play Cstone and get more connected with Christians who love dance music, you get priority.

This year, we have 2 people in our line-up that fit this bill and that changed a LOT of what we wanted to do.

As far as the gen stage: The sound will be provided by harmony and they'll probably put a limiter on the system just b/c of ppl like you.

I can tell you one thing about the generator stage....


If you want to play Afterhours next year; it is going to be a good place to audition.  You will be DJing in front of the judges who determine next years lineup.  If you want to play next year...about the best place to show them what you really got is to impress us live and in person.

If you can Dj on a dusty road and rock out in front the passerbyers, then you are probably going to have what it takes to do Afterhours.  This is not the only way to get booked, but heck..impress us.  Cornerstone's dance stage is so interesting to me as it is probably the festival's most unknown artist stage.  The barn, as it was once known has a sense to the people who show up to dance as... who is the guy spinning...ahhhhh who cares... do I like the music.  It is the judges responsiblility to provide that music thru selecting the proper music-selectors; ie DJs.


I would love to see a DJ take this as a challenge and impress ME personally.  I personally would look harder at YOU next year if you PERSONALLY rock my socks off (I will not be wearing socks all week), but seriously take this as a challenge.


I M P R E S S      M E!

Doug Theodore
Tfresh.com Generator Stage Mgr.

what if i blow your flipflops off?

If you blow my flipflops off (i will be rockin them all week thank you); then consider yourself to a person I will watch out for next year to play Afterhours.


 8)

there is a possiblility i might make it. i need to run some numbers and see how the next few weeks go in fundraising.

would love to see you go. :hug:

you are a cool cool cat

sounds good.

And thats something I was sharing with DGK a few days ago... I remember when I first attempted to play at a club in downtown Tampa. I sent them a demo online like a few weeks in advance and said that I was interested and wanted to check you guys out anyways. After arriving and talking with them for a while, I asked them if they would let me play.... Of course I got a response that I wasnt expecting "do you have a demo?" I said, "I sent you guys a link to be able to download my demo like a few weeks in advance"
Obviously, they were too drunk to remember that, and so which brings me to my next point....I needed something like a CD that I could hand to them so they could either check it out in their car or something like that. Really and truthfully, no one is going to roll out a red carpet for you just because you say that you got your vinyl with you and you have all this past DJ experience. They do need something, preferably in their hand or something LIVE, like doug said, to AUDITION!
In all honesty, I do believe I perform very well OUTSIDE rather than INSIDE....well, I usually have lights, so, no lights will really bring a great challenge to myself. I don't know what I will do about equipment, since I just sold my tables last week, so I might just end up converting vinyl to digital for now. Either way, I'm still going to CS this year. 

You SICK FREAK!!!

thats how i roll...

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Full information is coming out in a few days once the new Tastyfresh.com zine hits including:

How to apply to play.
When exactly the time slots to play are
Daily and weekly schedule of events @ generator stage.

Magazine is released around the 15th of this month.



doug

So were the demos that we sent in only for Afterhours?? or did those go in the runnings for the Generator stage as well?

Basically if you sent a demo in for afterhours then you are welcome to spin @ the generator stage.  I did not hear any demos submitted (properly or improperly) that wouldn't be able to rock it out nicely @ the Afterhours Generator Stage  All the information is coming in the article in the new zine that is actually coming out early next week.  So yeah in a couple days.

I will say this...the lineup for the generator stage will be very fun.

all info is coming real soon...

Good deal!  8)

http://www.tastyfresh.com/content/view/470/68/

full info there

The gen stage is gonna be soooo ON this year!

So yeah... whats the deal with not having turntables???

As I mentioned to Doug in an e-mail I sent him, if they'll allow it, I'm willing to provide my 1210's for people to use.

oops! posted twice!  :-[

Thats cool... When i read that i was like "WHAT THA!?!"

I guess they are just afraid of the "real" DJs showing them up.  :o   did i just say that?  :P

We're NOT going to have turntables. Sorry. Not going to. There's no need. If you can't play on CD or a laptop,  you're not playing that stage. Period.

As far "real" djs... get over it. Most have moved on now to either CD or some form of laptop and controller. To limit your opinion of what a DJ is to vinyl is going to keep you from succeeding as a professional DJ.

Stryke may use vinyl, but it's ONLY to control Traktor. He always brings CDs as well to control Traktor if he needs to. He's willing to not be limited by a medium.

Why aren't you?

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Dave ur funny... really! you are. There is an ART to DJing that is lost when the turntables are taken away. Technology has made you people lazy!
YOU CAN NOT FAKE A SET WITH VINYL!!! I guess we would all be SuperStar DJs if we had a program that beatmatched for us!

But really! Were all DJs here... so why not cater to all instead of singling out? I was really looking 4ward to flying up to jam with you guys on the generator stage... but that came to a quick hault when learning of the biast set up.

Dont be so quick to forget the roots of the scene.

There was an art to setting type on a movable type press in the 1600s too. That has almost completely been lost today. The thing in, nobody could create something as simple as a drop shadow using a movable type press. In fact, that never really was an easy thing to do until the computer.

Truthfully, the movable type press, while technically a tool of art, limited our ability as graphic designers to be creative and innovative. There was a need a desire to for this and thus... people moved on to newer technology. Better? Maybe... maybe not. It's different and allows for more freedom than before, but that does not mean that it made the designer lazy.


If your perspective is that beatmatching is all there is to being a DJ, then you don't need to play the generator stage or the main stage either. Not only that, but it WILL hold you back as a professional DJ.


1) It takes up more space and means we would have to cut back on other gear.
2) You and maybe 2 or 3 others would be the ONLY ones using it out of the week.
3) Very few professional DJs today still play vinyl and many clubs no longer install turntables.

It's not about forgetting the roots. You never do that. In fact, that's one reason why "scratch" systems still exist.

It's time for you to wise up and get professional on this issue. After all, even Grandmaster Flash is using Traktor Scratch now (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=grandmasterflash&L=1&nitr=1&l_src=traktorscratch&tsr_id=62541).

Maybe if you learned a bit about that system, you would know that it doesn't prevent you from manually beatmatching and that you still have to do manual work with it. Heck, I could upload a mix now that I did with Traktor Monday night with a HORRIBLE trainwreck.

I've never claimed that a DJ who doesn't spin vinyl isn't a real DJ, but the generator stage is the exact opposite of a "professional" gig (not only not paying, but you have to pay quite a bit to be able to play), which makes me much less inclined to bend for it. All the gigs I've been playing lately have had turntables in the DJ booth, and until that changes, I'm perfectly happy with my current configuration (Serato + vinyl).

AMEN brother! I gig weekly.. and get payed for it. and just like Ethan said, EVERY set up that i play/see has turntables... From clubs to bars and even restraunts.

and for the record the whole "real" dj comment was more or less a joke!

And i know that it takes a bit more than beatmatching to dj... but thats where it starts. its the basic skill that seperates the good from the not so good. there is no point in the mix if the beats arent matched... but i guess there is no point in that skill if you have a program do it for you... right?

I still love vinyl control, I have decks at home that I use traktor 3.3 with.  I try to use both worlds together.  I'll beatmatch, automatch, whatever I feel like really.  I can put on a better set with turntables just because its how I learned to play, its intuitive for me.  I'm sure once I get a controller I like it will be the same way.  Will the actual kit list be posted for the Afterhours so we can plan our sets.  Its true that most places still have decks available, CDj's have become real popular in the past few years though, I would think those are becoming the new standard, mostly because of the digital medium, the actuall platter isn't fun to work with like vinyl. 

I'll give you fun and personal preference, but I won't stand for demanding to have your way in a manner that demeans the other. Sorry Jon. Even if you were joking, it's clear that's the way you feel. I don't like that attitude.

I've got no beef with Ethan for what he said. Nor Matt. It all has to do with attitude. It's the attitude that nothing is better than vinyl that will hold you back. It's being inflexible that will hold you back. That's what I'm reacting to here.

Matt, we'll get the kit stuff straightened out. Soonish. Tuesday night is going to be very busy and I already know we need 2 setups so... yeah... we gotta have that talk.

Dave R

OK, wow. My attitude? I never said that nothing was better than vinyl... Its MY prefered medium... and i found your whloe "NO TURNTABLES" thing insulting. I felt that djs who used them were singled out, and your reply was bordering rude.

Why was i insulted you ask?
I was going to pay to fly to CS, pay my lodging, & take 3 days off work to play a NON PAYING gig at the generator stage. But it wasnt about that for me... i really wanted to fellowship with you guys and to get to meet some of you... but that was befor all of this. Alot of potential will be missed due to your biast/lazy/selfish reasoning.

And PS! I never demanded anything... I just wanted the same chance everyone else who is NOT vinyl has... but i guess thats to much to ask.

So... no vinyl = you no want to come. The draw for fellowship is limited to the availability of vinyl?

Do I have that right? We're only worth hanging out with if vinyl is there too. That's what I've been hearing you say all this time. I'm telling you that me hearing this is probably more insulting than you hearing that vinyl won't be there. The worthiness of fellowshipping with people is solely determined by vinyl. Wow... That's almost like a form of racism. I'm not vinyl enough.


All jobs have requirements. The requirement for THIS job is that you do not use vinyl. If you cannot meet that qualification, then you are not qualified for that job. It's not about being fair, it's about doing what is required and expected.

so anyone down for a traktor tag team set at the generator stage??   ;D

take a break dave

im posting from my phone from work
wull respond later more

Maybe ?  What does a traktor tag team involve... track selection ... haha

I use traktor, but let me know what you were thinking

Every Club in Louisville and Indianapolis has a set of turntables.  I use serato with my turntables.  That's what I'm comfortable with.  How many CDJ decks you guys have on the booth that would not leave enough room for two turntables (battle style)?  I think you guys are just trying to make a point.  I will start practicing with the internal mode because I don't have the money to buy a controller to start practicing with yet so maybe I shouldn't play.  What kind of cd decks are you going to have?   

I did. I'm just thinking we didn't need 'em last year at the gen stage. 2 people out of the entire line-up used them last year. It really does tick me off when people have the attitude Jon does about this. ugh.

OK... lets talk attitude. I joke and I have attitude issues... youre compleatly rude and you dont?

Anyway!! Next time you call for demos you need to be clear that it doesnt apply to everyone. Next time you open something up and welcome who ever to DJ.. YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR to EVERYONE that its really not open for everyone. ya feel me?

I feel you were out of line with some of your comments back to me regarding fellowship.

Lastly you describe the Gen Stage as a job... you get payed for jobs... last i checked the Gen Stage was non paying... so i wouldnt really call that a job.

Its all good tho... i forgive ya man! ;)

Yup... I can be very rude at times. Now is probably one of them. Sorry.


The call was for the main stage. Any that weren't selected for that stage were going to be offered the generator stage. For that stage, we will have turntables for at least 1 guy.  The generator stage is a different story for various reasons, but not b/c we're anti-vinyl. One GOOD reason is b/c the place is a major dust bowl. Tons of dust. It works fine in the barn, but not in the open air outside right by the road and in 90 degree plus heat.


I jumped to the extreme on the racist statement, but what I was getting from your posts is what I was getting from your posts. I do feel like you said that if we don't have vinyl, we're not worthy of your presence. Sorry. That's how I took it.

It is a job. Not all jobs provide pay. Internships for examples. In those positions, you are required to act professional and to meet all of the job duties w/o any compensation.

What's there to forgive. What have I said that really has hurt you?

I ment 2 laptops running traktor into a dj mixer...  so we could have 8 decks going pretty much...  bouncing beats back and forth for an hour or so straight...  kinda like what you see Chris Liebing and Speedy J doing on the Traktor demo videos and the Traktor 3 Tutorial DVD

the generator stage not being a paying gig, not having a dance floor, and requiring us to buy tickets is probably whats gonna end up holding us back from coming out. i would really love to get together and hang with everyone even if i had to pay for tix its just for us its gonna really really really cost us a lot to come out. well over a thousand dollars in lost work hours as neither of us have paid vacation and its also gonna be 11+ hours each way drive plus cost of 2 tickets and not getting paid to play. its gonna be really hard for us to make it. i know we were talking about selling glowsticks but i would have to convince my wife that we are gonna make back all the money we'd lose from taking time off, gas, glowstick costs, ticket and booth expenses... im not thinking its looking to likely... im pretty disappointed right now. the only way we'd be able to come is if somehow we both got approved for paid vacation...then it might be possible.

Rod, I'm with you. I totally understand that. You don't make money on cstone. You go and attend because you love it. That's the reason. If money is tight, you shouldn't go.

I go by myself, carpool, camp and have a provided ticket and it still costs me $500 at minimum to attend... with paid vacation. This year, I'll get some cash, but it's still going to COST more than I'll make.

I'm serious, if it's a matter of causing money problems, you shouldn't go. In fact, I can't think of a single headliner we've booked who isn't loosing money on this.

Shiloh's basically doing it at cost. Stryke's taking 3/4 of what he'd normally get. Kyle's doing it for a wee more than gas money. I think Doug's hourly rate for this fest is about $0.25 an hour counting the planning time.

Seriously, nobody associated with the stage is going to be making a DIME on the show. Well.... maybe the cstone ppl, but maybe not. They could have spent the $9k budget elsewhere and attrack more people. We're still on the roster b/c we fit into the "Art and community" thing they always do with cstone.

what may end up happening is i may get paid vaca and she wont and i may come by myself for a couple of days but then shes gonna be disappointed cuz i know she wants to go... what sucks is she will get paid vaca but she just started a new job and doesnt get it for like a year (i think). im a contract worker but the firm i work through is a high end IT firm and they really do take care of me. they gave me paid vaca for a week for our honeymoon and im not "entitled" to any paid but ive really made them some good money and they try to keep me happy  ;) im fairly confidant that i can get a couple of days but im pretty sure she can't... so we'll have to see. i really dont mind spending a couple of hundred or even $500.00 but we'd be talking over $1-2K if we both came when everything is said and done. And when your saving for a down payment... thats a lot of $$$

WAAAHT! dougs making $.25!... :hurt:

i wish i was that rich / successful  :laugh:


seriously though...whats he need the money for... more hair die?  :-*

This is the only post I will post on this thread.  With that being said here are some simple things I would like to say.

First and foremost it is a huge honor to be responsible for the generator stage for tastyfresh.com.  I am grateful to Dave for the unbelievable honor to head this project up this year.  I am so humbled to be able to lead this effort.  Jeremy Kadinger last year did an unbelievable job.  I am hoping to duplicate the greatness he led things in and to take a couple things farther.

The generator stage has many purposes, but one of the main purposes is to let people know about the Afterhours program at night.  Yes, it is a place to showcase skills.  It is a great place to fellowship, but in collecting donations, setting up, and actually running the stage it is extremely important to know the purpose of the stage.  It is to funnel people's brains into thinking of going to the Afterhours event each and every night.  Obviously this is not a paid gig.  We know that.  We also know that there are well over 100 bands, artists, groups, and people that perform at the Festival for free each and every year to get their name out.  It is an absolute privledge to play this stage.  I am interested in giving the best slots to guys who understand this fact.

Turntables will not be welcome at the generator stage.  That was my call and I am standing by it.  Dave is standing by my decision and I appreciate his support.  Dave is a great friend of mine and we hang out now probably once a week.  He understands my heart in this.  I will explain in detail below.

No Turntables:

I decided this in mid February and let the other guys who are helping to plan Afterhours (Dave, Kevin, & Jeremy K.) of my intentions and why.  I have their total support and moved forward on this thinking because of this.  Here are the facts:

This is a generator stage.  We are running our gear off a Honda generator.  It is of the utmost importance to keep things at this stage simplistic and running smoothly.  That involves gear switching, storage of gear and the overall booth (which we need to build).  The less amount of different media we use the better our flow for the week will be on keeping seamless music going for the hours we are allowed to use the stage.

I personally decided to go with industry-standard cdj1000s and a pioneer mixer.  This is current industry standard gear, although the pioneer mixer could be debated(which I will not engage with anyone on this).  I also wanted to allow the next wave of computer application programs as they are the next industry standard as of right now(could be debated I will not debate this).

This email still stands for those interested:

Hey I'm Doug Theodore and I am running the generator stage at this year's Cornerstone Music Festival.  Right now we are in the process of booking DJs for the Tent.  Since I have received a demo from you for Afterhours and I know of your skills…you are more than welcome to an hour time slot at our humble stage.  I have some of the guys who are actually playing Afterhours who are booked in slots at the generator stage as I gave them first choice.  If you are interested in spinning at this stage at the festival I need to know what days you are going to be at the festival.  I can plug you in to a number of late morning and afternoon slots.  I am giving all Afterhours demo submission guys the first opportunity to spin if they want it. 
 
Here are some things to keep in mind:
 
1.You still need to purchase a ticket to get into the festival and this is a non-paid booking.
2.You need to figure out lodging for yourself. (most of us camp on the premises)
3.The Generator stage gear list is either
                a.            2 pioneer cdj1000's & a mixer (Afterhours Generator stage provides)
or
                b.            a laptop and ONE controller (which is provided by the artist themselves)
4.No turntables are used for various reasons
5.This is a first come first serve basis
 
Lastly If you are interested just simply email me back with the dates you are gonna be at the fest and your best phone #  and then we can set up a phone interview so you know what I expect out of you while you spin and so I can touch base with ya.
 
Looking forward to it
 
Doug

That right there is a GOOD reason to not come.

Although... maybe a bit too nazi-like... but still.

"There is a difference between a Turntablist and a DJ; one of them is an art"

Quote from Scott Blackwell at the DJ clinic at the Underground 2002.

Is this a good time to bring that up...  :smiley18:

Jeepers....This is so stupid....

Think about this for a minute...

Would you want your turntables getting filled up with dust for 5 days?  Probably not.

As for this whole "Turntables in the booth" thing....I still see them.  Usually they have CDs laying on top of them.  Nothing wrong with vinyl.  I used vinyl for 10 years before going to CD,  and then Ableton.  People use different mediums to express themselves.  Saying that someone is a real dj if they only use vinyl is saying something like "Only real painters use oil paint.  Those watercolor guys are just fakers."  See how stupid that sounds?  Knowing how much of a charged subject that is amongst the electronic music community AS A WHOLE rigjht now,  I suggest not even joking about it.  Jon,  you may have been joking,  but you came across as a complete {mmm...tasty} there.  I'm sure you're a good guy,  but it's the power of internet perception,  and not being able to see the wink or feel the delivery.

Now....All that being said...

The generator stage is pretty neat.  If some of you don't want to use it because of no turntables,  then I'm sorry you feel that way.  However,  please don't cheapen the value of what we're doing.  I'm sorry we can't get people into the festival to play the generator stage,  but it's not an official stage.  Cornerstone policy says we can't pay people to play the generator.  It's there on the website...Here's the generator stage official info.  Check it,  yo! (http://www.cornerstonefestival.com/content.cfm?pID=76) We'd still love for everyone to be a part of the fun though.

Can you all play nice now...Please?

^ ya gotta love Oneel. I know I do. 8)

i taught kevin well...

The irony is that YOU can pay to play on our stage. Last year we had bands BEGGING us to play our... van. We could have made a killing. But... we kept it real with djs.

It's true - what Dave says. To play the Fat Calf stage cost $50 bucks.  :-\

We apparently were only worth $20. Fat Calf would be worth it though.

yea, but if im there, people would be like, "play the stage that alex plays on?! id sell a KIDNEY for that opportunity!"

I'm not worthy to eat your pooh Alex. How much more unworthy is my kidney?

HAHAHA...
im dieing over here... i need a new kidney...
hahaha

you could have both of mine... I don't think I need em....  what do they do anyway??  :-P

Well, in general, you could say "boundary path" or "bounding arc" ... because you wouldn't want to neglect the fact that the path exists in 3-dimensional space, not 2D. The vocabulary word doesn't exist in basic non-analytic geometry, it is not the same as circumference or perimeter. Essentially, a circle has infinitely many vertices (corners). Take it from a math minor. God bless America!  :laugh:

ok.

i have contacted some of you guys who contacted me and the rest of you guys who have contacted me i will let you know your timeslots tonight.  if you do not hear from me today, then please contact me tomorrow.  i only have a few slots left in total.